Did God create the big bang?

[forde]

John -

You are making the classic mistake of applying a faith based approach to a technical argument. I am not about to enter into a discussion about what you believe. That is of course up to you. But when you impose your belief system into the world of mathematics and physics, it quickly degenerates into pure speculation. The truth is that we do not know what caused the Big Bang. You can say your God did it. Someone else can say his Gods did it. Someone else can say it was the result of a brane collision, or a purple dinosaur, or a really big chicken. Each proposal is speculation, with no evidence - yet - to support it. The problem enters when any one proponent claims a special position on the Truth, based on his faith or his opinion or his anything. Your case is not particularly enhanced by your claim that "something cannot possibly come from nothing because nothing is insubstantial." That is not a technical reason. It is your opinion, and it is in conflict with the fact that something coming from nothing is required in order for your computer to work. Your opinion is therefore technically flawed, and it is based on the fact that you perhaps do not fully understand the technology involved. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you do not claim that you do understand it.

[tahmelapachme33]

sigh... sure... declare yourself the winner, go to your bible-study-class and pound your chest and declare how you won a stunning victory over evil by your infallible logic and now you can go off to that mission in the Congo and show the natives how they know nothing about how to live in their country and you will edu-ma-cate them so they can be like good Americans.

Or.

Or you can try actually studying what science and *actual* theories state - - not just what you have made up for yourself, or what some other poorly-educated bible-thumper has told you they say.

(1) If you were to study quantum mechanics (its a very difficult study, quite honestly, so I would not demand this of you - but I *have* studied it at the basic levels as a Mechanical engineer - studying nuclear physics/ nuclear engineering... so I know some of the basics) you would discover that things really *can* pop up out of ''nothing''. Whole universes? well... it doesn't happen ''often'' but time is a meaningless concept when the universe *isn't* in existance. This sounds very obscure and almost as if ''magic'' is being invoked, but the math *does* point to this. Unfortunately it is math that requires a bit more than high-school algebra. (Feel free to resort tothe first option)

(2) Creationists absolutely **hated** conservation laws - - because those seemed to point to a universe that *always* existed - and did not require a God to ''create'' it! Until they began grossly mis-understanding (and mis-using) energy conservation as an argument against evolution (which is usually a tremendous bugaboo for creationists...) Sadly for you, conservation laws do *not* prevent evolution (just like they don't prevent you from breeding your sheep...), but they *do* set up a situation that requires more ''exotic'' explanations if it appears the universe *did* in fact pop into existance.

(3) By studiying actual visible evidence (and having the training to understand what that evidence *is*), scientists are able to determine that there are (A) other galaxies, that (B) tremendously far away from us (so far away that millions of years are needed for light to span the distance) and (C) that these other galaxies are almost *all* moving away from us and that (D) they move *faster* away from us the further they are!! (This fits exactly with a universe that 'popped' into existance (14+Billion years ago) - and does require scientists to look at the evidence out there.)

(4) Big bang theory (Expansion theory) does NOT state *why* the universe came into existance. There is reasonably good speculation /hypotheses that it happened because of quantum fluctuation. If you feel like declaring that God created the quantum fluctuation, fine. (Go right on back to the first option) Of course, the issue of primogeniture remains. (The old ''what/who made God?'' question....''and who made *that?'' and so on. [hint- its turtles all the way down...] )

I prefer the God of St Augustine - who requires that we come to know him by studying his handiwork - by learning of the *world*, the universe, and all that is in it - - rather than blindly touting words that have been *repeated mis-used, mis-interpreted and mi-understood by peoples of every agenda.

I'd love to declare checkmate in return, but sadly, all that can be honestly declared is stalemate - because you will dance your dance of illogic and anger and intolerance to your own foregone conclusion.
So, as I noted as the start, it may be best if you just declared yourself the winner and trot off puffing out your chest at your ''accomplishement'', while we actually continue to study the world that exists - created by god, quantum fluctuation, or flying spaghetti monster.

[trucker]

No, Pan Gu did it! Izanagi and Izanami did it! Brahma did it! Marduk did it! God is not real!
If something cannot come from nothing, that makes the Bible a lie. Who said the Big Bang came from nothing? You know nothing about Quantum Theory but just use the term as hoaxers do. Nonsense and ignorance does not hurt your position you say! You believe so, but it is not true. The Universe always existed and needs no creator. You have checkmated yorself with such absurd "gou pi". I hope you are a troll. I shudder to think anyone could actually believe the monumentally absurd "gou pi" you spew now.

[adamka]

No, Pan Gu did it! Izanagi and Izanami did it! Brahma did it! Marduk did it! God is not real!
If something cannot come from nothing, that makes the Bible a lie. Who said the Big Bang came from nothing? You know nothing about Quantum Theory but just use the term as hoaxers do. Nonsense and ignorance does not hurt your position you say! You believe so, but it is not true. The Universe always existed and needs no creator. You have checkmated yorself with such absurd "gou pi". I hope you are a troll. I shudder to think anyone could actually believe the monumentally absurd "gou pi" you spew now.

So am I right or what?

No, just ignorant.

[werner72]

"Atheists play the same old game"

Dumbass. The person who created the big bang theory was a $&@!ing CATHOLIC PREIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…

Idiot.
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Lmao at the person who called his rant dog poo in Mandarin.

[urian27]

Your view of this topic is heavily biased and heavily flawed. You should dobyour homework seeing as you contradicted your argument a number if times, there is no God, we enter this world alone, we leave this world alone, nothing else

[boyce]

God created all things, his Son created all life on this planet
but who says the big bang is even truth, maybe it was a big "puff"

[hussein]

John, it isn't a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of you being an uneducated imbecile.

[therron57]

Well, I'm christian so I believe God created everything.