If the USA is such a tolerant nation, why is it so intolerant of Christian expression on public lands?

If the USA is such a tolerant nation, why is it so intolerant of Christian expression on public lands?

Postby gowan » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:17 pm

The First Amendment CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY says:

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise..." of religious expression.

I notice this doesn't make any distinction between private property and public lands and public buildings.

It says Congress shall make NO law prohibiting the free exercise of religious expression. NONE. The First Amentment prohibits any kind of intolerance of religious expression.

So how can we justify court rulings that abolish things like the Mojave Cross and dsiplays of the Ten Commandments at courthouses? If the Supreme Court supports this intolerance, why aren't liberals objecting to the Supreme Court condoning a policy of uniform intolerance? Instead, they just join into the feeding frenzy of intolerance against religious expression.

How did the principle of religious tolerance become a policy of uniform intolerance against all religious expression on public lands and in public buildings?

Didn't they read the Constitution? Why do they think the establishment clause contradicts the free expression clause? Do they think the people who wrote the First Amendment were so stupid that they would contradict themselves in the span of one sentence?

Is this where liberal activists started attacking the core principles that our country was founded on, and started turning the Constitution upside down line by line, starting with the First Amendment? Was this the camel's nose in the tent?
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If the USA is such a tolerant nation, why is it so intolerant of Christian expression on public lands?

Postby jocheved » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:23 pm

The meaning of Separation of Church and State has took on a new meaning. The founders didn't want the State infringing on religious rights or deaming which religion to have. They maybe, also wanted to make sure that the church did not run or influence the state. But to abolish relgion from anything having to do with the state is a perversion of what the founders wanted. What's next, state and federal politicians will not be allowed to be religious? Teachers, firefighter, police, all will be fired if it is believed they are religious?

When does this "keep religoin off all state issues" bs end. What's really funny is the same liberals pushing the separation of church and state to ban christianity from schools are fine with kids learning about the Islam religion, how ironic.
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If the USA is such a tolerant nation, why is it so intolerant of Christian expression on public lands?

Postby dubh35 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:26 pm

You're partially correct. Under the Establishment Clause, in order for the government to restrict religious speech on public lands it must meet a 3 part test.

1) There must be a secular purpose for the government's action
2) The primary effect must be neither to advance nor inhibit religion
3) There can’t be excessive entanglement with religion

If a law violates any prongs of this test it is unconstitutional.
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If the USA is such a tolerant nation, why is it so intolerant of Christian expression on public lands?

Postby chepito » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:31 pm

Those are some interesting ellipsis in your quote of the First Amendment, there.

I'll help you out: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." -The First Amendment of the United States Constitution

Here's your quote again: "'Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise...' of religious expression." -"Truth Man."

Now, everybody, can we identify the part of the Constitution that Truth Man hates?
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Postby rolfe16 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:32 pm

Those are some interesting ellipsis in your quote of the First Amendment, there.

I'll help you out: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." -The First Amendment of the United States Constitution

Here's your quote again: "'Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise...' of religious expression." -"Truth Man."

Now, everybody, can we identify the part of the Constitution that Truth Man hates?
You did not quote the part of the first amendment that applies to the government expression of religon. That's the part that contains the public/private distinction.


COMMON BEGINNERS MISTAKE.

QUESTION FAIL.

If you are confused abou the ten commandments, refer to the FIRST THREE COMMANDMENTS. The first three commandments are anti-american and should not be endorsed or displayed by the government.
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If the USA is such a tolerant nation, why is it so intolerant of Christian expression on public lands?

Postby weiford » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:33 pm

The supreme court has been run by conservatives for over 20 years. Prior to the Roberts court there was the Reinquist court. If you want to talk about a court hijacking the constitution, look at the election of Bush by the SCOTUS in 2000 and the likely overturn of the HC mandate coming up on the basis that broccoli is considered as needed as health care
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Postby wardell » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:37 pm

Some mis-guided souls are following the teachings of Stalin: "America is like a healthy body and it's resistance is threefold; it's patriotism, it's morality, and it's spiritual life. If we can undermne these three areas, America will collapse from within".

Being spoon-fed this destructive philosophy is the destructive force true patriots are fighting.
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Postby osmont » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:38 pm

we could have every nut job from every nut job religion in the world placing their religious symbols and ideals all over our public buildings, or non of them. I think non of them is the more reasonable answer myself.
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Postby iden » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:45 pm

Because the USA is only tolerant to the things IT believes in (well part of the USA anyway).
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Postby shipley » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:48 pm

When I look up at the huge official White House Christmas Tree every December, my first thought is: "man, those Christians are so oppressed."
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