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Liberals, would you kindly answer these questions?

Postby westbroc90 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:31 am

1. Do you believe the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land?

2. Do you believe America is a nation of laws, and everyone should be held to the same standard, regardless of class, race or religion? Or, do you believe some in our society deserve special treatment under the law because they’re rich, poor, politically connected, black, white, Hispanic, etc?

3. Do you believe as our founders did that our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness come from our Creator? Or, do you believe our rights come from the government?

4. Do you believe as our founders did that the purpose of the government is limited to the preservation of the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and the other powers granted to it by the people in the constitution? Or, do you believe the government can vote itself any power it deems appropriate no matter what the Constitution says?

5. Do you believe the money you earn from your job or business belongs to you, as well as the property you buy with the money you earn? Or, do you believe the government has the right to your money and property, and someone in Washington should decide how much of it you should keep based on the adage made famous by Karl Marx, “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?

6. Do you believe that as long as you earn your money honestly and break no laws, there should be no limit on the amount of money you make? Or, do you believe as President Obama said, “at some point, you’ve made enough money?”

7. Do you believe all Americans should have an equal opportunity to succeed or fail based on their individual ability, intellect and work ethic? Or, do you believe all Americans should have equal outcomes regardless of their ability, intellect or work ethic, and the government should redistribute the wealth of those who succeed to those who don’t in order to level the playing field?

8. Do you believe America is a sovereign nation with borders, and we as a nation should decide which foreign nationals to let in and who we deny access? Or, do you believe there should be no borders and anyone who wants to enter our country is welcome, with or without permission?

9. Do you believe the government should spend no more money than it takes in? Or do you believe we can just continue to borrow money from other countries without worrying about the National Debt?

10. Do you believe the government spends too much money? Or, do you believe Americans are taxed too little?

Thanks! :)
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Postby bean » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:32 am

@The pleasure of flesh-
I take your Honest Abe and raise you a Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied."
Considering that the federal reserve is essentially run by the banks, you can see that he had a lot better foresight than Lincoln ever dreamed.

Abraham Lincoln was an alright president, but if he hadn't been shot he would never be as popular as he is today.
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Postby chen12 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:48 am

After somebody takes the time to answer, watch everybody else flock in to repeat that person's answer.
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Postby coinleain » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:51 am

Yes unfortunately conservatives don't!
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Postby chiram97 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:13 am

“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”

George Washington

“Rather than quarrel about territory, let the poor, the needy, and oppressed of the earth, and those who want land, resort to the fertile plains of our western country, the second land of promise, and there dwell in peace, fulfilling the first and great commandment.”

George Washington

"Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world."

George Washington

"Happy, thrice happy shall they be pronounced hereafter, who have contributed any thing, who have performed the meanest office in erecting this stupendous fabrick of Freedom and Empire on the broad basis of Independency; who have assisted in protecting the rights of humane nature and establishing an Asylum for the poor and oppressed of all nations and religions."

George Washington

"Harmony, liberal intercourse with all Nations, are recommended by policy, humanity and interest. But even our Commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand: neither seeking nor granting exclusive favours or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of Commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing with Powers so disposed; in order to give trade a stable course."

George Washington

T]he policy or advantage of [immigration] taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the Language, habits and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures and laws: in a word, soon become one people.

George Washington,


"My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff."

Abraham Lincoln,


"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all, or cannot do so well, for themselves, in their separate and individual capacities."

Abraham Lincoln
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Postby zackary42 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:27 am

1) No, the constitution is not as clear as white and black, as it often has colors of grey. If we went by exactly what the constitution say then there wouldn't be a separation of church and state (It doesn't specifically have the words, as you know). The constitution is a living breathing document which needs to be deciphered which is the reason for the supreme court.

2) Yes.

3) I believe they come from both. If they were solely from the creator I could go around threatening to kill everybody and there wouldn't be anything you could do about it. I could walk up to your child and start cussing him out. The rights of one can never impede the rights of another - which has to be enforced by the government.

4) The government can't vote its self any power it wants, that is the whole point of the supreme court.... which at the moment is conservative? Not sure what you're getting at here. Conservatives are against gay marriage, which is in violation of their pursuit of happiness.

5) I believe that the majority of the money I make belongs to me. I also believe that we each have a responsibility to society, and the utilities that society created that we use. Such as the internet (government created it, 1969 called ARPANET), the highway systems, and the protection of our borders with the military. If I use these, I feel a responsibility to help pay for them. Do you not use the internet? Do you not use the highways? Do you not benefit from cheaper food prices that are a result of the highways? Why should you not have to help pay for the infrastructure of society?

6) There is a limit on the amount of money you can make? What is it?

7) I believe that all Americans should have an equal opportunity to succeed. I also believe we have to look out for society as a whole at the same time. When more Americans succeed the country as a whole does better. If we can get the poor out of their slumps and into better paying jobs we should have a responsibility to do so, as they would pay taxes and make the society as a whole better. However, I don't believe we should give them blank checks (welfare) that they can use to buy crack. We should provide the poor with an education which would pay off in the long run (for both them, and the country).

8) I believe we are a sovereign nation with borders and we should decide which foreign nationals to allow in, with the exception of the United Nations. The united states entered into a treaty which would allow all member nations of the UN to be able to have a voice. As question 1 stated "Do you believe the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land": As article six of the constitution states "and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;". This isn't grey, this is clear.

9) I do believe we have to spend no more money than we take in, with the exception of war time and extreme economic crisis. Take note that china does not own most of the United States debt. In fact, the american people own most of the governments debt through bonds. China just happens to be the largest lender from a foreign entity.

10) I believe americans are taxed too less, the rich and the middle class. I don't remember the exact number, but the majority of americans don't pay taxes because their refunds are greater than what they pay in. Taxation is not a bad thing, supporting society is not a bad thing, the money has to come from somewhere. If not from taxation then from where? You can't cut spending to the point where we have no taxes because then we'd have no infrastructure or military.

No response? I'll just assume you agree with me then.
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Postby curney13 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:31 am

1. Yes.
2, Yes.
3. Our rights may not be infringed by the government but they come from our own determination that we accept a need for a government but certain rights will be respected. A government by consent. God created the world and perhaps God set laws on people as well as laws on nature but if free will actually exists than we claim rights and we fight to keep them.
4. Government must be limited by the constitution. That is the covenant between our government and ourselves. If government disregards the constitution than we are not obligated to respect its authority and might even be obligated to dissolve our government and create a new one.
5. Currency and property are two different things. Look at a dollar bill sometime and you will see a small line that says "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private". Do you understand the full meaning of that? Our currency is the property of our government and by extension our public. It is illegal to deface or destroy currency because it does not belong to you. Money is a tool to streamline trade. It is not a score, not a reward, not a toy and while it is intended for you to use, it does not actually belong to you. Property on the other hand is generally yours and laws protect your ownership. One of our problems is we glorify the acquisition of wealth. We do not respect the wise use of wealth. We used to years ago when our nations great industrialist built schools and hospitals and used their wealth to make our nation greater than they found it.
6. Again the idea of acquiring wealth simply to have wealth is not the point. We respect and admire those of us who are successful because they wisely use money to make all of our lives better. Should we still admire them if they simply acquire a huge score of wealth and do nothing productive with it at all? If I inherit a billion dollar company and sell it and fire 60,000 people and buy myself a solid diamond toilet and wipe my butt with 100 dollar bills do you admire me? Am I your hero? If I take that company and expand it and hire another 20,000 people and make a product that makes your life better than I deserve your admiration but simply being rich is not admirable and simply having money is not respectable. If someone acquires wealth and doesn't put it to use than taxing them is fair. The money has a job to do whether they are willing to use it properly or not.
7. I believe a persons success should be based on their ability however the basic needs of our people should be addressed if for no other reason than to preserve stability. If people starve on the streets than feed them, shelter them to a minimal standard so they do not freeze in the winter or die of exposure. Dead people on the streets reflect poorly on a society especially one as rich as ours. I do not believe in leveling and certainly do not condone impoverishing anyone to make the undeserving live a life of luxury. We need to find the line between caring for our poor and coddling them but homelessness and starvation cannot be justified in a nation with nearly 50,000 dollars per person in our GDP.
8. Any sovereign nation has a right to make immigration policy. We have a right to set borders and deny or allow access as we deem fit. The statue of liberty does not define our immigration policy. It was a French gift and we appreciate it but we can change policy as we like.
9. I believe you are oversimplifying the concept of issuing treasury bonds. It is more complex than we can go into here but in general we do abuse the system and need to restrain our deficit spending and try to reduce our debt. To accomplish that though is more involved than simply cutting spending. Just a quick example for you. How many private sector jobs will be lost if we cut military spending down by the 200 billion proposed? How many taxpayers will either no longer be employed to pay taxes at all or be employed at a reduced income. Cutting spending also cuts revenue since much of what we spend goes to the private sector in contracts and purchases. If we seriously want to reduce our deficit without destroying tens of thousands of jobs we will have to also raise taxes. Like it or not.
10. Government spends to much money and some Americans are taxed to little.

You're welcome.
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Postby beacher » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:41 am

1. Yes.
2, Yes.
3. Our rights may not be infringed by the government but they come from our own determination that we accept a need for a government but certain rights will be respected. A government by consent. God created the world and perhaps God set laws on people as well as laws on nature but if free will actually exists than we claim rights and we fight to keep them.
4. Government must be limited by the constitution. That is the covenant between our government and ourselves. If government disregards the constitution than we are not obligated to respect its authority and might even be obligated to dissolve our government and create a new one.
5. Currency and property are two different things. Look at a dollar bill sometime and you will see a small line that says "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private". Do you understand the full meaning of that? Our currency is the property of our government and by extension our public. It is illegal to deface or destroy currency because it does not belong to you. Money is a tool to streamline trade. It is not a score, not a reward, not a toy and while it is intended for you to use, it does not actually belong to you. Property on the other hand is generally yours and laws protect your ownership. One of our problems is we glorify the acquisition of wealth. We do not respect the wise use of wealth. We used to years ago when our nations great industrialist built schools and hospitals and used their wealth to make our nation greater than they found it.
6. Again the idea of acquiring wealth simply to have wealth is not the point. We respect and admire those of us who are successful because they wisely use money to make all of our lives better. Should we still admire them if they simply acquire a huge score of wealth and do nothing productive with it at all? If I inherit a billion dollar company and sell it and fire 60,000 people and buy myself a solid diamond toilet and wipe my butt with 100 dollar bills do you admire me? Am I your hero? If I take that company and expand it and hire another 20,000 people and make a product that makes your life better than I deserve your admiration but simply being rich is not admirable and simply having money is not respectable. If someone acquires wealth and doesn't put it to use than taxing them is fair. The money has a job to do whether they are willing to use it properly or not.
7. I believe a persons success should be based on their ability however the basic needs of our people should be addressed if for no other reason than to preserve stability. If people starve on the streets than feed them, shelter them to a minimal standard so they do not freeze in the winter or die of exposure. Dead people on the streets reflect poorly on a society especially one as rich as ours. I do not believe in leveling and certainly do not condone impoverishing anyone to make the undeserving live a life of luxury. We need to find the line between caring for our poor and coddling them but homelessness and starvation cannot be justified in a nation with nearly 50,000 dollars per person in our GDP.
8. Any sovereign nation has a right to make immigration policy. We have a right to set borders and deny or allow access as we deem fit. The statue of liberty does not define our immigration policy. It was a French gift and we appreciate it but we can change policy as we like.
9. I believe you are oversimplifying the concept of issuing treasury bonds. It is more complex than we can go into here but in general we do abuse the system and need to restrain our deficit spending and try to reduce our debt. To accomplish that though is more involved than simply cutting spending. Just a quick example for you. How many private sector jobs will be lost if we cut military spending down by the 200 billion proposed? How many taxpayers will either no longer be employed to pay taxes at all or be employed at a reduced income. Cutting spending also cuts revenue since much of what we spend goes to the private sector in contracts and purchases. If we seriously want to reduce our deficit without destroying tens of thousands of jobs we will have to also raise taxes. Like it or not.
10. Government spends to much money and some Americans are taxed to little.

You're welcome.
I believe in the U.S. Constitution and that it is the Supreme Law of the Land. I also believe that it is a living breathing document and not frozen in time. The Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is. Thank God for the reversal of the Plessy v. Ferguson. Long live Brown vs. Board of Education.

It is a nation of laws only when a Democrat is in the office.

Founders were okay, but not entirely on account some had slaves.

Central government has to be strong, this is why we got rid of the confederacy. Do you get my drift...
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Postby colfre » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:47 am

Give them time to consult with their liberal professors who after much pondering will kindly inform them that you are a racist for having the gall to ask such questions
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