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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

  
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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

Postby larenzo » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:20 pm

What turns you away from God (i think) is other people's belief in what God, but just because their idea of God seems ridiculous and far out (which most people's beliefs kind of are maybe even mine) should not turn you away from that feeling inside you that we all have, that there has to be a meaning to our existence. Your family and friends or your passions in life may give you a tangible purpose but God (i think) gives us meaning and true purpose. Even if you only believe in the laws of science and mathematics, the more you learn with science the more you will realize you know nothing at all, science poses a paradox that i don't think we as humans will ever be able to decipher and it poses infinite questions such as once you accept the big bang theory that leaves you with the question, what was there before the big bang, or how did it happen, and why did it happen etc. I think God ties all the lose ends. I think the way most people see god is a very rudimentary view of a higher power, the God of the bible or the torah or the gods of other religions (in my opinion) is how the unscientific non-critical mind understands God but for the deep philosophical thinker or the scientific mathematical thinker there must be a less rudimentary explanation of what God is. God comes to us all in different forms, one your mind can comprehend, and I believe the nonbeliever is the future believer who will have the best understanding of God because they have left their mind open to the possibility of no God, so god can reveal itself to the the nonbeliever in its truest form because they don't have preconceived notions of what God is.
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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

Postby gedalyahu » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:28 pm

The reason I don't believe is because the concept of religion is all the same, it's there in society to make you a better person, it gives you moral standards and rewards you if you follow them, and even punishes you if you don't. To me, that's all ridiculous, I don't need anyone/anything judging whether what I do is right or wrong, I can decide that on my own. I can follow my own standards and be a good person on my own, and on a side note, religion usually corrupts.

I wrote that after only reading a segment of what you wrote... Kinda irrelevant.

After reading the rest, you theory definitely opens my mind up and gives me a different outlook on "God" him/it self, aside from the religion aspect, it's really quite interesting. Maybe i'll have a greater understanding in the future.
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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

Postby caomh » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:32 pm

That is the tallest Strawman for Atheism I've ever read.

I don't believe in gods for there is no good reason to believe in one. There is no evidence and the claims of gods by theists are pretty silly.
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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

Postby torran » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:34 pm

My disbelief in magical invisible entities that create and control things is what makes me reject other people's claim that it exists.

Their absurdities simply make me look at those particular individuals like "wtf?"
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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

Postby lamarr3 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:44 pm

“It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.”
- Mark Twain
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Atheists, could it be the obsurdity of other peoples beliefs in what God is that makes you reject God?

Postby bergh39 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:01 pm

No, it has to do with the complete lack of evidence for the existence of a god or gods.
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Postby orlondo100 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:04 pm

No, it has to do with the complete lack of evidence for the existence of a god or gods.
too long, didnt read.
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Postby tiernan » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:08 pm

"...should not turn you away from that feeling inside you that we all have, that there has to be a meaning to our existence."

I don't have that feeling. Even if I did, I know that 'feelings' are a result of my own mind and have no baring on outside reality. Sometimes I have the strange feeling that I'm the only real person on earth and everyone else are just characters in my life who cease to exist when they're not around me. Of course that has no bearing on reality, it's just a strange feeling.

Religious views of Gods definitely have their flaws, but more abstract views have flaws too. If God isn't literally an invisible cosmic person, what is it? and why should we call it 'God'? Seems like some people stretch things pretty far just to have something to call 'God'. Thats not what I'm after.
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Postby hardin » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:09 pm

In order to reject something we would have to believe in it in the first place and then shun it. We don't secretly believe in any God.

What puts me off more than anything is the behaviour of Christians, especially on here. If they weren't so foul I would listen.

I do not require physical proof, for example if you were to say a prayer and demonstrate it was answered then I would believe you, but I don't mean something that could be explained away easily.
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Postby oz » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:24 pm

For thousands of years, people have said that their god was behind what they didn't understand -- life, lightning, stars, earthquakes, the origin of life, the world or the universe, etc. Positing a god to supposedly answer a question solves nothing. It just stops you from asking more questions.

There's no reliable evidence for God/Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Thor, or any of the thousands of other gods that people have worshiped. If any of the major gods existed, there would be reliable evidence. Since no such evidence exists, these gods do not exist. There's also extensive evidence that they are all just myths, created to help soothe our fear of death, and perpetuated through religion to subjugate the underclass into obedience.

There are many well-respected physicists, such as Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Sean M. Carroll, Victor Stenger, Michio Kaku, Alan Guth, Alex Vilenkin, Robert A.J. Matthews, and Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek, who have created scientific models where the Big Bang and thus the entire universe could arise from nothing but a quantum vacuum fluctuation -- via natural processes.

In relativity, gravity is negative energy and matter is positive energy. Because the two seem to be equal in absolute total value, our observable universe appears balanced to the sum of zero. Our universe could thus have come into existence without violating conservation of mass and energy — with the matter of the universe condensing out of the positive energy as the universe cooled, and gravity created from the negative energy. When energy condenses into matter, equal parts of matter and antimatter are created — which annihilate each other to form energy. However there appears to be a slight imbalance to the process, which results in matter dominating over antimatter.

I know that this doesn't make sense in our Newtonian experience, but it does in the realm of quantum mechanics and relativity. As Nobel laureate physicist Richard Feynman wrote, "The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as she is — absurd."

"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today."
— Isaac Asimov

"As far as I can see, such a theory [of the primeval atom] remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being… For the believer, it removes any attempt at familiarity with God."
— Georges Lemaître, Catholic priest who first proposed what became the Big Bang Theory

For more, watch the video at the 1st link - "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss.
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