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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

  
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby marmion » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:02 am

The current hate campaign being waged by homosexual activists against fast food chain Chick-fil-A, because of the firm’s Christian values, may well turn out to be a bridge too far. The effort may prove to be a setback for homosexual activism.
The vile attacks on the firm and its owners, the Cathy family, should make clear, finally, that the “gay rights” movement is not about refining and advancing American freedom, but about rewritingAmerican values and advancing, not freedom, but the homosexual political agenda.
Recently Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke at a flag raising ceremony in Alexandria, Egypt, noting the re-opening of the American consulate there. Given the current political climate in Egypt, the Secretary of State felt behooved in her remarks to highlight principles of freedom as understood by Americans.
“….to us, real democracy means that every citizen has the right to live, work, and worship as they choose, whether they are man or woman, Muslim or Christian, or from any other background.”
Perhaps Secretary Clinton should be lecturing Americans instead of Egyptians.
Can it really be that in America today a businessman can be labeled a bigot, boycotted, and cut off by suppliers because of the crime of being a Christian?
When Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy made his now famous incendiary admission that “We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit,” he was not pontificating. He was responding to a question in an interview done in a paper I expect not read by many homosexuals – the Baptist Press.

Never mind. It was sufficient provocation that Cathy publicly admitted that the Bible defines his understanding of marriage – the unique bond of man and woman – which also happens to be the standard definition in dictionaries on the shelves of every American home and library.
“Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago’s values,” said Chicago Mayor, and former chief of staff to President Barack Obama, Rahm Emmanuel. Emmanuel defended Chicago Alderman Joe Moreno’s threat to deny Chick-fil-A permitting in Chicago because its owner supports traditional marriage and family.

But UCLA law professor and constitutional scholar Eugene Volokh points out in his blog that “denying a private business permits because of such speech by its owner is a blatant First Amendment violation.”
The Constitution? The First Amendment? Religious liberty? Do these apply to Christians?Volokh goes on to point out that a permit might be denied, “…if Chick-fil-A actually discriminated in their serving or hiring decisions in Chicago in a way forbidden by Chicago or Illinois law….But the stories give no evidence of such actions…”
The fact that there is no evidence that Chick-fil-A discriminates in its business practices did not deter Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank from writing that Dan Cathy’s support of traditional marriage “…implied that gay people (not to mention divorced people) had no business eating at Chick-fil-A.”
One court decision after another over the last fifty years has, step by step, purged any hint of religion and traditional values from our schools and public spaces.
Has it made this a fairer, better, freer nation? If you think breakdown of family, forty percent out-of-wedlock births, a million abortions a year, $16 trillion in national debt, and government dependence is better and freer, yes.
Of course society must embrace civility, respect and tolerance. But this doesn’t mean that the sexual proclivities of some should provide license to rewrite our language and the traditions that define our faith and virtue.
Hopefully many will respond to Mike Huckabee’s appeal to patronize Chick-fil-A on August 1 as a display of support for traditional Christian values and as a reminder that our Constitution protects religious freedom.
Have we really gotten to the point where being a Christian is considered un-American?
Volokh goes on to point out that a permit might be denied, “…if Chick-fil-A actually discriminated in their serving or hiring decisions in Chicago in a way forbidden by Chicago or Illinois law….But the stories give no evidence of such actions…”
The fact that there is no evidence that Chick-fil-A discriminates in its business practices did not deter Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank from writing that Dan Cathy’s support of traditional marriage “…implied that gay people (not to mention divorced people) had no business eating at Chick-fil-A.”
One court decision after another over the last fifty years has, step by step, purged any hint of religion and traditional values from our schools and public spaces.

Has it made this a fairer, better, freer nation? If you think breakdown of family, forty percent out-of-wedlock births, a million abortions a year, $16 trillion in national debt, and government dependence is better and freer, yes.
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby edin » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:08 am

You've got such a long question,
Is it fair to say
Intolerance for perceived intolerance?
Mmmmmm Ima hungry for som Chic-Fil-A!!!
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby koltin » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:12 am

Cool story, bro. Was there a question in there? I stopped reading after the first dozen paragraphs.
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby roche » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:15 am

You are absolutely correct.

Apparently Chicago and Boston do not want you to operate a business there if you are Christian.

The Catholic Church definitely opposes gay marriage. Any Catholics operating restaurants in Boston?
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby arvad » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:24 am

such a long question. The answer is no. It would be un-American to use govt force to impose christian values on others. America is(or should I say was) a place where anyone can have any views they want, so long as they don't forcefully push those views on you.

Chick-fil-A has their views.
Chick fil A isn't trying to impose their views on anyone.
Therefore Chick Fil A is not anti-America reguardless of what you think about gay marriage.
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby ammi » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:28 am

You have thought through your question well. I'd like to give you a quote from Joel Skousen (from his World Affairs Brief www.worldaffairsbrief.com):

BEGIN TEXT:
MORAL DECLINE AND THE RISE OF
HOMOSEXUALITY
It is my belief that heterosexual immorality and
homosexuality are both historically harbingers of chronic
bad judgment and moral corruption that presage the
impending demise of a nation and culture. While both are
evil and condemned by God, homosexuality is always the
final straw that breaks the moral back of a nation. When
both predominate in society, the judgments of God are not
far behind. There are always sufficient threats against any
free society to bring down a nation by war and disease, so
when people cease to merit the protection of divine
providence, destruction by war isn’t far behind. Economic
weakness merely softens them up for the conquering blow.
The Western entertainment media has long concentrated on
gaining acceptance for heterosexual immorality. It is now
focusing both barrels on gaining acceptance for
homosexuals. A new film is being promoted this week about
a mother who rejects her son’s homosexuality. He kills
himself and the movie draws the audience into the parent’s
new found guilt trip over rejecting their son’s
homosexuality. Their minister even chimes in, predictably,
that God loves homosexuals “as they are.” It’s a
sophisticated propaganda film designed to make all good
people feel guilty about rejecting homosexuals, and
eventually homosexuality itself. It’s building upon the
propaganda claim that any opposition to homosexuals is
hate speech and worthy of universal condemnation.
I reject this idea. The movie’s premise is an extension of the
old soft doctrine that God “hates the sin and loves the
sinner,” which isn’t quite true unless you misconstrue God’s
charity-type love (that outstretched arm calling sinners to
repentance) and assume that there is no higher love than that
basic outreach. In reality God can only love that which is
true and good, though he can feel charity for those
struggling when they have some redeeming value. He is
capable of seeing deep inside each person and
distinguishing which parts of their character are good and
which parts are corrupt. The reason even God cannot
separate the sin from the sinner is that sin doesn’t exist
outside of a person. Sin isn’t even a sin without the element
of willfulness—which can never be separated from the
person himself. Thus, the growing sinfulness of the world is
a true reflection of increasing personal corruption and
violations of conscience, which God will not indefinitely
tolerate.
Two watershed events came this year which advanced the
homosexual agenda of manipulating public acceptance
through the force of law. The first was when the US
Supreme Court turned down David Parker's appeal from a
Massachusetts court ruling that sustained the State School
Board’s right to teach homosexuality as a normal alternative
to young children—over parents' objections and without
parental notification! The only good outcome from all this
was that hundreds of families correctly decided that public
schooling cannot be reformed and that their only alternative
was to pull their children out and start teaching them
privately or at home.
The other watershed event was the campaign to pass
Proposition 8 in California, prohibiting the state from
recognizing any marriage except between a man and a
woman. Even though it passed, it is about to be overturned
by the liberal California Supreme Court, which has
overturned other crucial citizen initiatives—the most
damaging of which was the initiative to stop illegal aliens
from access to public education, medical care and state
welfare (contributing significantly to the insolvency of the
state budget). Worse, the campaign provided a venue for
pro-homosexual groups to propagandize millions with the
concept that somehow their “rights” to free choice were
being violated and, by extension, vilify Mormons in
particular and other Christians in general for funding this
proposition and attacking “gay rights.” Millions of good
people, lacking an understanding of the issues at law on true
fundamental rights, were fooled into coming to the
homosexual’s defense through the false issue of rights. All
of this shifted the acceptance of homosexuality to a higher
level and even led to many acts of violence against Mormon
Churches and temples by organized homosexual supporters.

/END TEXT
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Can it be un-American to be a Christian?

Postby marmion » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:40 am

Judging by the events that are happening all across America, it is extremely un-American to be a Christian.
"I'm a Christian." "That's disgusting. America is a place for all religions and beliefs." "Yeah, I know, I just said I'm a Christian." "Seriously? How could you sleep at night with all this hatred in your mind." "I do not hate ANYBODY. I just said I follow the catholic belief system." "Not in America, you *****!" (Shoots the christian in the head.)
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