Is Immigration Reform A Topic Too Toxic For Obama To Handle?

[Lundie]

# * Sources: Votes lacking for immigration push in Congress updated 1 day ago * The push for immigration reform might be on the front burner for congressional Democrats, but sources say that in the end, they believe the issue is unlikely to have adequate votes to pass.http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/23/immigration.reform.congress/index.html

[Warwick]

TheLightWorks said: 1 of course, if immigration reform was truly important to the American people, they would decline to hire people without making sure thay are in the country legally, decline to do business with companies that have a record of hiring illegals, and be willing to do the jobs that are customarily left for illegals to do. 44 months ago

[Jolon]

TurboB replied to post #1: 2 But,but! Who's going to cut grass and put on roofs? Who's going to watch rich peoples kids? Who's going to work 10 or 12 hours a day in some clothing sweat shop? You can't expect companies to actually have to pay a living wage! It would cut into their profit margin. And Americans expect decent working conditions, and those pesky lunch breaks and safe places to work! The horror of it all..... 44 months ago

[Jayden]

Arizona has flipped the switch, saying that if the federal government won't do their job the states will have to do it for them.   No doubt it is politically toxic for both parties.  When the Republicans tried to find a solution the Democrats fought them tooth and nail.  Now the Democrats are talking about finding a solution and the Republicans are stonewalling.    It's time for the politicians to grow up, close the doors to special interest groups, forget about their pocket books and represent their constituent's opinions and concerns and the urgent needs of our nation.  This is not a partisan issue.  It's an issue that urgently affects our national security and our fiscal security.  Our nation can no longer afford to support 11+ million people who are here illegally.  In the border states they are closing hospitals, destroying our education system and causing severe problems with drugs, gangs and violence.   We're not just talking about kindly little ladies who clean houses and nurture children.  This population covers many segments of society from our nurseries to the MS13 gangs.  It contains the good, the bad and the ugly.  It cannot, must not be handled as simple block of people.  General amnesty will not work.  It's not in the interest of the US, Mexico or even all illegal immigrants.   It's time to forget about the massive number of democrat votes that would come with amnesty.  It's time to drop party interests. Eliminate the isle down the middle of our congress and senate.  Talk honestly about what's best for our citizens, our strained and dangerous budget problems, and safety of our country.  Of course it's essential to consider the good people who are here to work to support their families, but never forget that they are not US citizens.  Compassion must be seasoned with truth and reality.   It's one of the biggest problems our nation has faced in recent years.  For once I want out politicians to act as honorable men and women and find an solution that will serve our nation as a whole.

[dureau]

But,but! Who's going to cut grass and put on roofs? Who's going to watch rich peoples kids? Who's going to work 10 or 12 hours a day in some clothing sweat shop? You can't expect companies to actually have to pay a living wage! It would cut into their profit margin. And Americans expect decent working conditions, and those pesky lunch breaks and safe places to work! The horror of it all.....

[Gilmer]

Sure, it's a very toxic issue, but it's needs to be addressed. Arizona has flipped the switch, saying that if the federal government won't do their job the states will have to do it for them.   No doubt it is politically toxic for both parties.  When the Republicans tried to find a solution the Democrats fought them tooth and nail.  Now the Democrats are talking about finding a solution and the Republicans are stonewalling.    It's time for the politicians to grow up, close the doors to special interest groups, forget about their pocket books and represent their constituent's opinions and concerns and the urgent needs of our nation.  This is not a partisan issue.  It's an issue that urgently affects our national security and our fiscal security.  Our nation can no longer afford to support 11+ million people who are here illegally.  In the border states they are closing hospitals, destroying our education system and causing severe problems with drugs, gangs and violence.   We're not just talking about kindly little ladies who clean houses and nurture children.  This population covers many segments of society from our nurseries to the MS13 gangs.  It contains the good, the bad and the ugly.  It cannot, must not be handled as simple block of people.  General amnesty will not work.  It's not in the interest of the US, Mexico or even all illegal immigrants.   It's time to forget about the massive number of democrat votes that would come with amnesty.  It's time to drop party interests. Eliminate the isle down the middle of our congress and senate.  Talk honestly about what's best for our citizens, our strained and dangerous budget problems, and safety of our country.  Of course it's essential to consider the good people who are here to work to support their families, but never forget that they are not US citizens.  Compassion must be seasoned with truth and reality.   It's one of the biggest problems our nation has faced in recent years.  For once I want out politicians to act as honorable men and women and find an solution that will serve our nation as a whole. Sources: personal opinion pattiann 44 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.

[Itai]

PamPerdue said: 3 It's kind of ironic, since John McCain supported a Bush immigration bill that also had a lot of Democratic support, but Republicans broadly opposed it because it had a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, AKA amnesty."Amnesty" is a high-quality wedge in this debate. Any plan that does not deport every illegal immigrant can be branded "amnesty", to widespread opposition, but actually deporting all of the illegal immigrants is simply infeasible. Further, Latinos supported Obama in large numbers in part because of an implicit promise that some kind of amnesty would be included in his plan.Essentially, that means you've got an instant impasse. You'd think that John McCain could be a leader in trying to break that impasse, but John McCain is a staunch, doctrinaire member of the Republican establishment. Breaking with the party would require a maverick, and McCain has made it quite clear that he's no maverick. 44 months ago

[Burt]

of course, if immigration reform was truly important to the American people, they would decline to hire people without making sure thay are in the country legally, decline to do business with companies that have a record of hiring illegals, and be willing to do the jobs that are customarily left for illegals to do.

[Colin]

It's kind of ironic, since John McCain supported a Bush immigration bill that also had a lot of Democratic support, but Republicans broadly opposed it because it had a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, AKA amnesty."Amnesty" is a high-quality wedge in this debate. Any plan that does not deport every illegal immigrant can be branded "amnesty", to widespread opposition, but actually deporting all of the illegal immigrants is simply infeasible. Further, Latinos supported Obama in large numbers in part because of an implicit promise that some kind of amnesty would be included in his plan.Essentially, that means you've got an instant impasse. You'd think that John McCain could be a leader in trying to break that impasse, but John McCain is a staunch, doctrinaire member of the Republican establishment. Breaking with the party would require a maverick, and McCain has made it quite clear that he's no maverick.