July 27 Obama to sign gun control through UN... are you for it?

by **hjortur** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:05 pm

It's Official: Obama to Sign Gun Control Treaty July 27
7/5/12

Obama bypassed Congess to halt deportations. He bypassed Congress to provide massive amounts of aid to Palestine. So why is it so hard for some people to believe Obama is capable of restricting gun ownership?

According to Dick Morris, Obama will sign the Arms Treaty on July 27.

The purpose of which is, according to Morris:

The real purpose of this is that it will set up an international agency that will be in charge of controlling the flow of arms throughout the world. And while it will theoretically have jurisdiction over arms flows across national borders .. you know like the Interstate Commerce Clause... we see how that can be expanded. And it really will have the authority to tell member nations to adopt policies within their own countries to facilitate regulations of flows across borders. And those could include, will include, registration and may well include bans on arms and guns.

Now if this treaty is ratified by the Senate, it assumes parity with the 2nd Amendment. It is as if there is a new 27th or 28th Amendment to the Constitution. Because the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution says treaties are the law of the land and cannot be overriden by acts of Congress or acts of the state legislatures.

For those of us who value the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, this is absolutely pivotal .. they changed the venue but it is the same fight.

by **christie42** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:11 pm

IF they ban guns they can have mine.... One bullet at a time.

That violates the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Obama is a HUGE ASSHOLE for what he is doing. He NEEDS to be tried for HIGH TREASON.

by **hampton83** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:15 pm

I watched the Video. This is scary stuff. I knew he would go for the guns. Because without guns people can' fight.

It's my 2nd Amendment. I will protect it! We will see if they get mine.

by **talbot** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:23 pm

Sorry, but I don't see it. This is more of the Republican BS conspiracy theories in a desperate attempt to make people want to vote Republican and for Flip-Flop Romney who is only in this for what he can get for himself.

by **wardell** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:28 pm

It is a plan to disarm America.

by **achban** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:43 pm

Wow, he could stop sales of Snickers bars too.

by **broehain61** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:44 pm

Snopes debunked this one years ago. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

You got an old email that's been circulating among right wing nuts literally for years, and you believed it.

The real UN small arms treaty is only about international trade in small arms. You guys tried to crucify Obama for international movement of small arms in "fast & furious" and now you're trying to crucify him again for limiting international movement of small arms.

Which do you want? You can't have it both ways!!
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by **cumhea** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:48 pm

Snopes debunked this one years ago. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

You got an old email that's been circulating among right wing nuts literally for years, and you believed it.

The real UN small arms treaty is only about international trade in small arms. You guys tried to crucify Obama for international movement of small arms in "fast & furious" and now you're trying to crucify him again for limiting international movement of small arms.

Which do you want? You can't have it both ways!!
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Hey, I'm about as conservative as they come, but this guy doesn't represent conservatives. He represents conspiracy theorists.

He posted this same diatribe in the hunting section. He has refused to post any links regarding this that support his statements. To quote some of the other respondents on his hunting version of this troll:

"edit: Since I know the OP won't post a link, I searched for the treaty. I didn't find any reliable information, no reputable news sources seem to know about it. Mostly I found blogs, editorials, and "ammoworld" which is where Dick Morris is published. The closest I found was a Fox News anchor telling the NRA chief that he's making stuff up (link below). As far as I can tell, based on no legit sources, the UN is hosting discussions about a treaty, the treaty itself doesn't exist."

"I think one of the bigger threats to our issue is the spread of disinformation. Which is what you and the individual is question is doing. You're trying to stir the pot with a limited understanding of what you are talking about. To the point I think you are a troll trying to stir up emotions. If this were true I would of heard about it in the blogosphere. Yet nothing. I have been keeping track of this issue for the past 3 years."

The two respondents who made these statements summarize it quite nicely. Liberals, conservatives, libertarians, lend me your ears: ignore this troll.

by **yago** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:51 pm

If Dick Morris said it, he is an idiot who knows nothing about constitutional law.

Amendments to the Constitution rank above treaties. Treaties and statutes are equivalent, and many treaties are not "self-executing" which means that they need statutes to be enacted to implement them.

So assuming that the treaty is real (and there is no citation in the article to the name of the treaty which would permit checking on the UN's list of treaties under negotiation), if the treaty contradicted the Second Amendment, the Supreme Court would strike it down as unconstitutional.

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