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Muslims, what do you think of Judaism's view on Capital Punishment...............?

  
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Muslims, what do you think of Judaism's view on Capital Punishment...............?

Postby teithi71 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:20 am

Under Jewish Law, in order to convict someone of a Capital Offense(hypothetically), these are the steps that have to be taken:

(i)There has to be 2 Jewish Male witnesses who have memorized the Torah and the Jewish Oral tradition, and
(ii)They have to have eye contact both with each other, and the sinner
(iii)They have to warn the sinner on multiple occasions of his sin(whether its fornication, violating the Sabbath, adultery, etc) and the sinner has to acknowledge he has been warned on those occasions

After going through those steps, if they want to convict a person, he has to be brought before what is known as the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin was the Jewish Law court that decided legal law cases, and appointed various judges depending on the scope of the case. In the case of criminal offenses, they appointed 23 judges. In order for there to be a Sanhedrin, there has to be a Jewish Priesthood overseeing it. In order for that to be in place, there has to be a Jewish Temple.

When the Sanhedrin its judging the case, it cannot take in hearsay accounts as evidence to convict a person. It has to be direct, from multiple witnesses. And if the Sanhedrin is about to make a ruling, its parameters are narrow. If the Sanhedrin rules 18/5, the ruling is thrown out because it has the possibility of bias. If it is a 11/12 ruling, the case is also thrown out, because it is too controversial a case.

The steps here are so stringent that in practice, the death penalty was almost never enforced in Jewish history. One Rabbi in the Babylonian Talmud states that "If a court were to put someone to death once every 70 years, it was destructive".

So what do you think about the Jewish view on Capital Punishment, and how does it compare to Sharia law?
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Muslims, what do you think of Judaism's view on Capital Punishment...............?

Postby gobrwy » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:21 am

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Muslims, what do you think of Judaism's view on Capital Punishment...............?

Postby leland » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:24 am

I cannot put any view about Jewish law. In fact you should check if the rules are coming from Torah OR from Talmud. IF they are coming from Talmud or opinions of your Rabbis, **AND** are being enforced in the name of God, then they are surely a misguidance and disobedience.

Many Stupid Muslim scholars would state similar things to SOUND as moderate. For example:

- There is ABSOLUTELY NO such punishment as stoning in the Quran.

However the so called Muslim scholars enforce the stoning punishment (as inherited from Jews) for adultery. And then they would go on saying that there should be 4 witnesses of the INSERTION. And then to sound moderate and compassionate they would state that the rules of conviction (4 witnesses of insertion) are so hard that to date no one has been reported. This is a blatant lie !!

They also have a rule that if the person admits / confesses the adultery in the court, he /she is stoned. Therefore two cases are reported in the SO CALLED history of Mohammad and one case is present in the recent times in the Saudi Royal family in the 1970s.

The thing is that GOD has not inflicted this punishment. What is present in the book is as follows:

[24:1]
A sura that we have sent down, and we have decreed as law. We have revealed in it clear revelations, that you may take heed.

[24:2]
The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.*

[24:3]
The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.

[24:4]
Those who accuse married women of adultery, then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes, and do not accept any testimony from them; they are wicked.

[24:5]
If they repent afterwards and reform, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.

[24:6]
As for those who accuse their own spouses, without any other witnesses, then the testimony may be accepted if he swears by GOD four times that he is telling the truth.

[24:7]
The fifth oath shall be to incur GOD's condemnation upon him, if he was lying.

[24:8]
She shall be considered innocent if she swears by GOD four times that he is a liar.

[24:9]
The fifth oath shall incur GOD's wrath upon her if he was telling the truth.

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Regarding the Jewish law, there is an indication that God had NOT decreed such harsh punishment for Sabbath etc. Moreover as per Quran, the law of Sabbath has been terminated NOW (through Quran).

Ref.: 17:21 to 39, 7:163 to 166 and onwards, 16:124

Do let me know as to what exactly you wish to question about.

I can tell you that the Quran DISCOURAGES capital punishment. AND with the exception of testimony in FINANCIAL matters the women have EQUAL testimony to men.
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Muslims, what do you think of Judaism's view on Capital Punishment...............?

Postby achban » Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:30 am

We'll Islam, unlike other religions, teaches its followers everything and doesn't need to send them warnings as the warnings have been stated in the Auran and Hadith.
For punishments like stoning a cheating/ adulterous husband or wife, there must be 4 Muslim male witnesses, who are unknown to be virtuous and don't lie and know the Quran..
As for Murder, 2 witnesses are required, also they have to be without bad background, good Muslims of good reputation, known to be virtuous..
Let's not forget the essential factor in today's modern time which is solid evidence, such as weapons and residue and such..
Those are different judgments and rulings for those who are completely unaware of what's forbidden and such..
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