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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

  
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby elton » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:48 am

Five integer sided right triangles have the curious property that their larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees. Four of those triangles are the (3,4,5). (5,12,13), (7,24,25), and (9,40,41) right triangles. The problem is to find the 5th integer sided right triangle.

See the figure here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/534631/5_pyth_triangles_add_to_360.gif
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby chatima » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:53 am

By Pythagoras

41^2 = 3^2 + b^2
Where 'b' is the side that is not drawn in. The angle between 'b' aand '3' would be 90 degrees.

b^2 = 41^2 - 3^2
b^2 = (41 - 3)(41 + 3)
b^2 = 38* 44
b^2 = 1672
b = sqrt(1672)
b = 40.890....
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby langford59 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:56 am

How about the right-angled triangle with sides (73, 2664 and 2665)?

I haven't been able to show that the solution is exact, but it fits within the 9-digit resolution of my calculator. Perhaps I can find something a little more precise ... hang on!

Added: Ok, I persuaded a friend with Mathematica on his computer to evaluate the expression for the difference between 2.pi and the sum of the 5 ArcSin terms using exact calculation. He claimed that the result came back as zero, which would imply that the relationship is correct and exact, as claimed.

While waiting for him to reply, I did a quick brute force calculation based on trig identities. If a, b, c, d and e are the larger acute angles, with e the unknown, then

a + b + c + d = 2.? - e, and sin(a + b + c + d) = sin(2.? - e)

With the angle sum and periodicity identities, the LHS can be expanded into products of the sines and cosines of the known larger acute angles, and the RHS gives the sine of the unknown angle. To cut a rather messy story short, the final result gave sin(e) = 66600/66625 = 2664/2665. Pythagoras then confirmed the third side.
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby barclay76 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:59 am

That's the same answer I got within the resolution of Excel -- 73 - 2664 - 2665
(and it's where the pattern of the "difference" function I was using changed)

I'll go with 73-2664-2665 (to give an arcsin of 88.430350794016243 ...... for the larger acute angle)
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby gerard » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:09 pm

I confirm Uncle68's answer analytically:
Let tan ? = 4/3, tan ? = 12/5, tan ? = 24/7, tan ? = 40/9 and tan ? be the tangent of the unknown right-angled triangle, which is the ratio of its legs.

It must hold that
tan(?+?+?+?) = -tan ?.
Using tan(x+y) = (tan x + tan y)/(1 - tan x tan y) repeatedly, we find that
tan(?+?) = -56/33
tan(?+?+?) = 16/63
tan(?+?+?+?) = -2664/73
Note that the numerator and denominator always form, up to a sign, legs of some Pythagorean triangles, which can be easily proven.

From this, we can directly see that (73, 2664, ?(73^2+2664^2) = 2665) is the missing triangle.


Edit: The proof:
Let a, b, c, d, e, f be integers such that
a^2 + b^2 = c^2 and d^2 + e^2 = f^2,
let tan x = b/a and tan y = e/d. Then
tan(x±y) = (b/a ± e/d) / (1 ? be/ad) = (bd ± ae) / (ad ? be).
We want to show that there is an integer g such that (bd ± ae)^2 + (ad ? be)^2 = g^2. By straightforward expansion and factorisation,
(bd ± ae)^2 + (ad ? be)^2 = b^2d^2 + a^2e^2 ± 2abde + a^2d^2 + b^2e^2 ? 2abde = b^2(d^2+e^2) + a^2(d^2+e^2) = b^2f^2 + a^2f^2 = (a^2+b^2)f^2 = c^2f^2.
Obviously, g = cf is the product of the original hypotenuses.
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby kalvin71 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:12 pm

I came up with Vašek's approach, except I got there via complex numbers.

e^i? * e^i? * e^i? * e^i? * e^i? = 1

...where ?,?,?,?,? are as in Vašek's version. Since cos and sin values are integer ratios in the four given triangles, then the cos and sin of ? are rational too.

1/(cos ? + i sin ?) = (cos ? + i sin ?)(cos ? + i sin ?)(cos ? + i sin ?)(cos ? + i sin ?)

cos ? - i sin ? = (cos ? + i sin ?)(cos ? + i sin ?)(cos ? + i sin ?)(cos ? + i sin ?)
= (3 + 4i)/5 * (5 + 12i)/13 * (7 + 24i)/25 * (9 + 40i)/41
= (-33 + 56i)/65 * (-897 + 496i)/1025
cos ? - i sin ? = (1825 - 66600i)/66625

Obviously 25 is a common factor, remove that and conjugate both sides:

cos ? + i sin ? = (73 + 2664i)/2665

That's in the 1st quadrant, so e is indeed acute. sin ? = 2664/2665 ~~ 1 so ? is indeed nearly right.

That corresponds to the (73, 2664, 2665) right triangle, just as most everyone else found.

Edit: Hmm. Skipped a step, reasoning from the drawing. Because each is the larger acute angle of a right triangle, each is in (?/4,?/2):
?/4 < ?,?,?,? < ?/8
? < < 2?

That means that there's an ? in (0,?) satisfying the original equation...the one that I left out:

? + ? + ? + ? + ? = 2?

Anything else I missed still escapes me.
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby jaren12 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:17 pm

To solve, we can simply sum the current angles and subtract them from 360°

Using the trig function tan(?) = opposite/adjacent

360° - arctan(4/3) - arctan(12/5) - arctan(24/7) - arctan(40/9) ? 88.43°

We therefore know that tan(88.43) = opposite/adjacent of the final triangle.

tan(88.43) = 2664/73

Therefore 2664 is the length of one side and 73 is the length of the other.
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Problem about 5 integer sided right triangles whose larger acute angles add exactly to 360 degrees?

Postby kendrix » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:18 pm

To solve, we can simply sum the current angles and subtract them from 360°

Using the trig function tan(?) = opposite/adjacent

360° - arctan(4/3) - arctan(12/5) - arctan(24/7) - arctan(40/9) ? 88.43°

We therefore know that tan(88.43) = opposite/adjacent of the final triangle.

tan(88.43) = 2664/73

Therefore 2664 is the length of one side and 73 is the length of the other.
The large acute angle of the fifith triangle is
2? - [arctan(4/3 + arctan(12/5 + arctan(24/7) + arctan(40/9)]
= arctan (2664/73) using the following Wolfram Alpha link:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=arctan%284%2F3%29+%2B+arctan%2812%2F5%29+%2B+arctan%2824%2F7%29+%2B+arctan%2840%2F9%29

The rigorous work out of the above result is as under.
The sum of large acute angles of the first two triangles
= tan^-1 (4/3) + tan^-1 (12/5)
= ? + tan^-1 [(4/3 + 12/5) / (1 - 48/15)]
= ? - tan^-1 (56/33).

The sum of large acute angles of the next two triangles
= tan^-1(24/7) + tan^-1 (40/9)
= ? + tan^-1 [(24/7 + 40/9) / (1 - 960/63)]
= ? - tan^-1 (496/897)

=> sum of the four large acute angles
= 2? - [tan^-1 (56/33) + tan^-1(496/897)]
= 2? - tan^-1 [(56/33 + 496/897) / (1 - 27776/29601)]
= 2? - tan^-1 [(50232 + 16368) / (29601 - 27776)]
= 2? - tan^-1 (66600/1825)
= 2? - tan^-1 (2664/73)

=> The fifith right triangle has sides 2664, 73 and 2665.
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