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[torran]

So you're saying the solution is to let people invent and then take all their wealth in order to thank them?

[tate8]

If you were on top, wouldn't you pay to stay there too?

[zacchaeus21]

The way they are investing overseas... soon all of our innovations will come from China and India.

[tripp]

I didn't realize the ipa wasn't a newer technology - silly me,

[aescby]

I didn't realize the ipa wasn't a newer technology - silly me,

BIG CORP STIFFLES CREATION OF NEW PRODUCTS
with paper work and corp dictatorship

[byron92]

I didn't know your question was true. It implies truth though.

[westbroc90]

You cite two successes...

Regardless, in order to take their invention, which they did create on limited funds, to the next level, they had to be savvy businessmen and had to expand. And in order to expand, they needed to be able to secure capital. Which comes from wealthy investors or banks and such that coordinate smaller scale investors together.

Do you think they would have been able to purchase equipment, buildings, a work force, supplies and suppliers, etc. without some backing from a bank? Doubtful.

While it is true that many inventions and entrepreneurs come up with ideas without the rich (in the beginning), they cannot bring their invention, product or service to the greater market without capital backing from those evil rich people.

As for the neocons figuring out a way out of this mess. The Neoconservative movement started with former democrats! They just figured they could manage things more fiscally than their more liberal brethren. But, they still follow the same keynesian, big government principles! Considering that, they have nearly the same solutions as far left progressives, it's just a matter of degree and size of their solutions and spending.

Most conservatives, especially small government fiscal conservatives, wanted nothing to do with the bailouts or TARP. Also, the bailouts under Bush came from a Congress completely controlled by Democrats.

Companies, in most cases, do not steal ideas from inventors. Inventors sell or lease their ideas if they were smart enough to get a patent. If they didn't get a patent, then they have only themselves to blame if someone else uses their idea or comes up with a similar idea.

As for your statement "The rich are only rich because they pay off our Politicians who make sure they stay rich." Then why the hell do you leftists want to empower the government and the politicians even more by electing left wing progressive Democrats that want to expand the power and influence of the government????? You think Democrats want to help out the average American? Hell no, they give us the scraps after they pay off their special interest buddies. And then they carve niches in the market to perpetuate corporatism and continue corporate welfare!

Dude, wake up! The only ways to bring down corporatism, crony capitalism, and crooked politicians is to first: shrink government regulation and intervention into the marketplace and force corporations and other businesses to actually COMPETE for our business.

Second: Reduce the federal government to its small Constitutional role and return power to the state governments which are more accountable to the voting electorate and also gives voters more voting power and say in their government.

Third: Institute term limits at the federal level so we don't have runaway career politicians that can sink their icy fingers in every nook and cranny in society and form such shady alliances and back room deals.

There are a lot more ways to fix this, but those are the main things.

EDIT: LOL, a leftist neocon... That's the first time I've ever been called that before! So, what about my philosophy resembles a "leftist neocon"? I AM a right leaning libertarian (aka a conservative libertarian). Leftists do not espouse shrinking the federal government, returning to states' rights federalism, a small role for government in society (they want an active one), cutting government regulations, bureaucracy, red tape, and intervention into the marketplace, cutting taxes and spending, opposing class warfare (like tax the rich crap at the Wall Street protests), strict adherence and interpretation to the US Constitution, and so on. Those are conservative and right-libertarian ideals, of which I support entirely! But apparently I'm just a "leftist neocon" pretending to be a libertarian... Guess you figured me out...

[aingeni]

Intellectual property is based on the idea that if you were first to invent something, you can profit from it. Is this really fair? Does that mean that if someone else makes it to the patent office with a similar idea 1 day later than you do, they are forever barred from making money off the idea? Why? And why should it be the government's job to protect the patent? Shouldn't it be the individual's job?

My rant about this always includes how corporations abuse my intellectual property-including my name and likeness-which they trade and sell for profit without my permission. When they get my permission it is usually under coercion in my desire to live a typical life. My likeness is my intellectual property and should not be bought and sold by strangers. But if business can still do it, I should be able to buy and sell their technology as if it were mine too.

[osbourne]

The reason for this belief is,like the Roman hierarchy before them, they understand that it is the rich which controls everything and if and when the rich jump ship like they have done many times before,they take all the technology with them and leave the people with nothing but a dark age. A proof of this is Petra.They had aqueducts before the Romans took them over but when they left they did not have the knowledge or the means to make them anymore and thus ended their existence as a state.

[siwili]

They are working on doing away with the patent process all together. I think you are missing the big picture here when you focus on rich vs poor. The laws are being changed so that nobody is going to have any incentive to invent anything. The educational system is bent toward consensus rather than utilizing the real function of the thought processes. If they agree, 2 plus 2 equals 5. The problem lies way beyond your concept of neocons vs libertarians. There is a big, big effort to change the whole world into one big communist hell hole and making people believe it was their own idea. You are playing right into their hands. There won't be anymore Steve Jobs.

The repubs do know what to do but how are they going to get past Obama and Harry Reid? How will Ron Paul get past any of them? Think about that.