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Would You Buy Into The Banning Of Home Schooling As Determined By Way Of A California Court Of Appeal Judgment?

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Would You Buy Into The Banning Of Home Schooling As Determined By Way Of A California Court Of Appeal Judgment?

Postby xing » Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:23 pm

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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Saer » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:39 pm

I agree in principle. In practicality, it is yet another matter. I?m a certified teacher in the State of Illinois.  Thought I?d get that out of the way initial. Right here is how I got there:  For me to qualify for an Illinois Sort 09(Secondary Ed. grades 6-12), I had to earn a bachelor?s degree from an accredited U.S. college.  In addition to that requirement, I had to total 24 semester hours of graduate school at an accredited college, execute 1 complete semester of student teaching at an Illinois public higher college, and pass a series of certification exams, to wit: 1) Illinois Standard Skills Test.  Math, Language, and Writing. I was dismayed that there have been no science concerns on it, and valuable small of History, but that?s just the test you want to pass to get into a teacher education plan. two) Topic matter exams in each and every of the subjects I wanted to teach. In my case, this was Laptop Science and Mathematics. 3) Assessment of Skilled Teaching exam.  This test was instituted in response to NCLB. It focuses mostly on educational theory and classroom management.  It is needed of all new teachers in Illinois, but teachers who are currently employed as such are exempt.  In my opinion, this was a poor thought, but that?s how it is. As such, I am qualified to be a teacher in the State of Illinois.  Requirements vary from state to state, but most are related to Illinois?s in principle.  No matter whether or not a single agrees that the state has a right to prescribe compulsory education for young children, it?s the law in California, and the state does have a correct to impose minimum requirements on those who would hold themselves out as teachers. This includes parents.  Whilst homeschooling parents have varying levels of education themselves, extremely handful of have passed state teacher certification needs.  The situation is analogous to getting a license to drive a car.  No matter whether or not you know how to drive, you still have to pass the test.  As a result from a legal standpoint, the California Court of Appeals was correct in its ruling. This being stated - I reside in a state that has some of the worst schools in the country.   Most are underfunded and understaffed. Some are hazardous locations to be, although several much more are situated in neighborhoods where it is not protected for a kid to walk to school.  As a parent, I could not in great conscience send my kid to such a location.  If I did not have the implies to move out of the neighborhood, or to send her to a private school, I would maintain her house with me and educate her as very best I could, qualifications notwithstanding.  If a truant officer showed up at my property demanding that my kid be placed in a predicament exactly where she would not be safe, I?d fight it with my last breath. I would also have grave reservations about sending my kid to a school exactly where she would not be in a position to learn simply because of unqualified teachers, crowded classrooms, or lack of educational materials.  There are also fairly a handful of schools inside busing distance of my residence that fall into that category.  After once again, lacking the means to greater situate myself, If I felt strongly that I could far better educate my youngster, qualifications notwithstanding, at house beneath these situations, I would also fight. I would not, even so, be justified in maintaining my kid at property only since of ideological or religious reasons.  A youngster is in school for 9 to ten months out of the year, 30 to 35 hours a week.  The remainder of the time, she is with her parents or otherwise beneath the care of those who are free to college her in whatever values or traditions they deem fit.  Our laws and traditions enable parents broad latitude in such matters, and compulsory education does not constitute an undue burden.  Nevertheless, as a society, we have considerably to do to boost the quality of public education, and parents have each and every appropriate to criticize the technique - but not to violate the law. Sources: Opinion IchtheosaurusRex 70 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Crist » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:47 am

I don't agree with it I do not agree with banning of homeschooling. I understand that there are huge abuses of the system. Children who do nothing at all all day long. There must be a better way to regulate or manage homeschooling. Sources: opinion beebo 70 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Geovani » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:13 pm

It was a poor and unconstitutional ruling I'm not a fan of homeschooling(or should I say, I'm not a fan of many homeschooling moms who treat public schools and the great evil.) still I think that every parent has the obligation to decide what is the best form of education for their child.  I believe that it is ultimately the parents responsibility to make all education decision for the child and the state should have little to say beyond curriculum taught in the public schools. (Even that should be subject to the community, particularly parents, having great amount of input and flexibility to withdraw their children from particular aspects.)  Since I believe the parents are the primary educators of their children, then those who choose to school them at home are perfectly within their rights no matter what qualifications.  stache 70 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Calcas » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:49 pm

No. It's a horrible decision, based on an isolated case. California has a thriving and diverse home school movement that includes anywhere between 150,000 to 200,000 kids, and a very small percentage of them have credentialed parents(which would be required, under this law). In spite of that, these kids are getting into prestigious schools such as Stanford, Yale and Harvard. They are winning nationwide science, math and spelling competitions. For the vast majority of parents who are home-schooling, it is a huge commitment, and they take the job most seriously. There is a way to balance a parent?s universal right to be their child?s teacher, the child?s right to obtain a decent education, and the state?s obligation to see that the child?s right is met, and it was stated best in an editorial in today?s San Jose Mercury:"The California Supreme Court should cede to the Legislature the task of creating minimally intrusive regulations over home schools. It certainly shouldn?t allow complaints against one parent to dismember a valid alternative to public schools."   @Goldie's Recommendations Home Learning Year by Year: How to Design a Homeschool Curriculum from Preschool Through High School Amazon List Price: $14.95 Used from: $6.99 Average Customer Rating: 5.0 out of 5(based on 38 reviews) The Well-Adjusted Child: The Social Benefits of Homeschooling Amazon List Price: $14.95 Used from: $9.10 Average Customer Rating: 5.0 out of 5(based on 6 reviews) Homeschooling at the Speed of Life: Balancing Home, School, And Family in the Real World Amazon List Price: $17.99 Used from: $5.78 Average Customer Rating: 5.0 out of 5(based on 22 reviews) A sampling of the many books that advocate the growing trend of home schooling @Goldie 70 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Tramaine » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:06 pm

I?m a certified teacher in the State of Illinois.  Thought I?d get that out of the way first. Here is how I got there:  For me to qualify for an Illinois Type 09(Secondary Ed. grades 6-12), I had to earn a bachelor?s degree from an accredited U.S. college.  In addition to that requirement, I had to complete 24 semester hours of graduate school at an accredited college, perform one full semester of student teaching at an Illinois public high school, and pass a series of certification exams, to wit: 1) Illinois Basic Skills Test.  Math, Language, and Writing. I was dismayed that there were no science questions on it, and precious little of History, but that?s just the test you need to pass to get into a teacher education program. 2) Subject matter exams in each of the subjects I wanted to teach. In my case, this was Computer Science and Mathematics. 3) Assessment of Professional Teaching exam.  This test was instituted in response to NCLB. It focuses primarily on educational theory and classroom management.  It is required of all new teachers in Illinois, but teachers who are already employed as such are exempt.  In my opinion, this was a bad idea, but that?s how it is. As such, I am qualified to be a teacher in the State of Illinois.  Requirements vary from state to state, but most are similar to Illinois?s in principle.  Whether or not one agrees that the state has a right to prescribe compulsory education for children, it?s the law in California, and the state does have a right to impose minimum requirements on those who would hold themselves out as teachers. This includes parents.  While homeschooling parents have varying levels of education themselves, very few have passed state teacher certification requirements.  The situation is analogous to obtaining a license to drive a car.  Whether or not you know how to drive, you still have to pass the test.  Thus from a legal standpoint, the California Court of Appeals was correct in its ruling. This being said - I live in a state that has some of the worst schools in the country.   Most are underfunded and understaffed. Some are dangerous places to be, while many more are situated in neighborhoods where it is not safe for a child to walk to school.  As a parent, I could not in good conscience send my child to such a place.  If I did not have the means to move out of the neighborhood, or to send her to a private school, I would keep her home with me and educate her as best I could, qualifications notwithstanding.  If a truant officer showed up at my house demanding that my child be placed in a situation where she would not be safe, I?d fight it with my last breath. I would also have grave reservations about sending my child to a school where she would not be able to learn because of unqualified teachers, crowded classrooms, or lack of educational materials.  There are also quite a few schools within busing distance of my house that fall into that category.  Once again, lacking the means to better situate myself, If I felt strongly that I could better educate my child, qualifications notwithstanding, at home under those circumstances, I would also fight. I would not, however, be justified in keeping my child at home only because of ideological or religious reasons.  A child is in school for 9 to 10 months out of the year, 30 to 35 hours a week.  The remainder of the time, she is with her parents or otherwise under the care of those who are free to school her in whatever values or traditions they deem fit.  Our laws and traditions allow parents broad latitude in such matters, and compulsory education does not constitute an undue burden.  However, as a society, we have much to do to improve the quality of public education, and parents have every right to criticize the system - but not to violate the law.
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Daryle » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:35 am

California has a thriving and diverse home school movement that includes anywhere between 150,000 to 200,000 kids, and a very small percentage of them have credentialed parents(which would be required, under this law). In spite of that, these kids are getting into prestigious schools such as Stanford, Yale and Harvard. They are winning nationwide science, math and spelling competitions. For the vast majority of parents who are home-schooling, it is a huge commitment, and they take the job most seriously. There is a way to balance a parent?s universal right to be their child?s teacher, the child?s right to obtain a decent education, and the state?s obligation to see that the child?s right is met, and it was stated best in an editorial in today?s San Jose Mercury:"The California Supreme Court should cede to the Legislature the task of creating minimally intrusive regulations over home schools. It certainly shouldn?t allow complaints against one parent to dismember a valid alternative to public schools."
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Ember » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:02 am

I lived most of my life in California.  I homeschooled my children there for many years and also worked with the county charter school system which worked with homeschoolers.  About ninety percent of the families involved were doing a far better job than the public school system.  The kids were not only informed, educated, and eager to learn, they were far better socialized.  In the public school system the kids become very peer dependent; homeschooled kids aren?t.  Homeschoolers took their kids are more field trips, were able to teach different subjects at different levels(a child may be ahead in reading and behind in science, for instance, in terms of grade levels), and, in a number of cases, were far more able to accomodate chronic illnesses than the public schools were.  Homeschooled kids consistently do better in colleges and universities and show more emotional stability.  They are almost always more involved in the community and care more about the world around them and not just about themselves.  The homeschool families I was in contact with were much more involved in their children?s education than the public schools were, actually.  It was not just a matter of prepping for standard tests, but of actually educating the child(ren) in various subjects.    Some of them were homeschooling for religious reasons.  But the VAST MAJORITY of those families I was in contact with were homeschooling because they simply wanted a better education for their children than what was being given in the public schools, and they were doing just that.  It was very impressive.  A growing number of homeschoolers are/were choosing that option due to the violence and peer pressure for early sex and drugs in the schools as well.   The public school system is in massive failure in California and other places.  This court decision is the only option they have to get good students back in the system so they can destroy them, too.  I hope the California parents fight this thing to the Supreme Court. 
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Conlen » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:02 pm

I'm not a fan of homeschooling(or should I say, I'm not a fan of many homeschooling moms who treat public schools and the great evil.) still I think that every parent has the obligation to decide what is the best form of education for their child.  I believe that it is ultimately the parents responsibility to make all education decision for the child and the state should have little to say beyond curriculum taught in the public schools. (Even that should be subject to the community, particularly parents, having great amount of input and flexibility to withdraw their children from particular aspects.)  Since I believe the parents are the primary educators of their children, then those who choose to school them at home are perfectly within their rights no matter what qualifications. 
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Do You Agree With The Banning Of Home Schooling As Decided By A California Court Of Appeal Ruling?

Postby Datiel » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:39 pm

bizarre decision I lived most of my life in California.  I homeschooled my children there for many years and also worked with the county charter school system which worked with homeschoolers.  About ninety percent of the families involved were doing a far better job than the public school system.  The kids were not only informed, educated, and eager to learn, they were far better socialized.  In the public school system the kids become very peer dependent; homeschooled kids aren?t.  Homeschoolers took their kids are more field trips, were able to teach different subjects at different levels(a child may be ahead in reading and behind in science, for instance, in terms of grade levels), and, in a number of cases, were far more able to accomodate chronic illnesses than the public schools were.  Homeschooled kids consistently do better in colleges and universities and show more emotional stability.  They are almost always more involved in the community and care more about the world around them and not just about themselves.  The homeschool families I was in contact with were much more involved in their children?s education than the public schools were, actually.  It was not just a matter of prepping for standard tests, but of actually educating the child(ren) in various subjects.    Some of them were homeschooling for religious reasons.  But the VAST MAJORITY of those families I was in contact with were homeschooling because they simply wanted a better education for their children than what was being given in the public schools, and they were doing just that.  It was very impressive.  A growing number of homeschoolers are/were choosing that option due to the violence and peer pressure for early sex and drugs in the schools as well.   The public school system is in massive failure in California and other places.  This court decision is the only option they have to get good students back in the system so they can destroy them, too.  I hope the California parents fight this thing to the Supreme Court.  tuppence 70 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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