A question about immigration/citizenship laws?

by **yehudi** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:36 am

My cousin lied when immigrating to America about her name and family status (claimed to be related to people she wasn't). But she was truthful during her naturalization process. Now her son, who became a citizen as a result of her being naturalized at age 5, is trying to become a CIA agent. Likely the agency will do extensive research and find the discrepancy in the mother's original immigration papers, 30 some years ago. What is the likelihood of the government revoking both their citizenship and deporting them back to Russia? Personally I think it's very likely, others say there's a statue of limitations on this type of fraud, while others say probably not likely at all. Does anyone know?

by **delron** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:47 am

My cousin lied when immigrating to America about her name and family status (claimed to be related to people she wasn't). But she was truthful during her naturalization process. Now her son, who became a citizen as a result of her being naturalized at age 5, is trying to become a CIA agent. Likely the agency will do extensive research and find the discrepancy in the mother's original immigration papers, 30 some years ago. What is the likelihood of the government revoking both their citizenship and deporting them back to Russia? Personally I think it's very likely, others say there's a statue of limitations on this type of fraud, while others say probably not likely at all. Does anyone know?

in regards to the cia and fbi matters like those do not have a statute of limitation, i am 100% sure they will conduct extensive background check especially since his mother was naturalized, unless, there is no way that they can pick up on that lie. If the extent of the lie was not too serious, then they stand a chance, but if it is, i would be prepared to get an immigration lawyer.

by **marmion** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:49 am

It is called fraud.
The likelihood is very high and deportation in on the way.
No limitation on fraud for this.

by **zadok** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:52 am

If the fraud is discovered everyone involved will have their citizen rescinded
jailed for the fraud then deported

by **winwood** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:57 am

did she get any immigration benefits through the lie (was she sponsored by unrelated people) or was it something which didn't affect the possibility of immigrating?

Don't know how good the CIA people are about digging (after all, they seem to like to get sidetracked by other entertainment), but cases where people have been stripped of their citizenship later have been known.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100328/NEWS01/100328023/Ex-FBI-agent-Nada-Prouty-fights-restore-reputation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States

I doubt you find on this forum that many former CIA agents who can tell you that the likelihood is lets say 42.745%. And if the weatherman tells me there is a likelihood of 50% rain, it means the only thing which is for certain is that there is weather outside.

by **langford59** » Tue May 01, 2012 10:00 am

Since a thorough background check will be done, the son obviously needs to give truthful and accurate responses to all oral and written questions. He will not be deported since he did not commit the fraud and has been here so long. She could face immigration fraud charges and have her citizenship revoked. There is no statute of limitations that protects her.

by **adare** » Tue May 01, 2012 10:09 am

If the fraud is discovered the likelihood is 100%. If she gained an immigration benefit she was not otherwise entitled to she will be deported and banned from the USA for the rest of her life.

The type of background investigation they'll do on him will be directly related to his job. Just because he works at the CIA does not mean he'll get a top security clearance.

by **garbhach65** » Tue May 01, 2012 10:20 am

There is no limitation, if this happened and it was found to be true then everyone involved would have their citizenship revoked and after a time in jail would be deported.

But I am going to call bullshIt on this one

by **akule76** » Tue May 01, 2012 10:30 am

The government doesn't often take the time & trouble to revoke somebody's citizenship for having lied on a previous application, but if it was material they can. They're more likely to do it if they're really ticked off at you (for example, you're a criminal they want to deport if they can), or if another country wants to take some action against you, like the "Ivan the Terrible" guy who was accused of war crimes in Israel.

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