I've Been Having A Discussion With Friends About Immigrant Workers (illegitimate) And Whether Or Not They Spend Taxes, Etc.

[ancel60]

I understand that many Mexican workers in the meat-packing organization under, regardless of whether legal or illegal spend taxes, Impairment, SS and pension applications, something I do nonetheless they aren't in a position to file revenue taxes for a reimbursement. Is that accurate of migrant workers or other workers in other locations of the nation. And I claim they're not typically in a position to get welfare rewards and other social positive aspects till they've documentation(a quantity of which I recognize is phony). Iam unsure about emergency healthcare - I hope they have it when urgently required. I'd hate to take into account we're so inhumane that we'd refuse aid a desparate individual.

[Kenji]

"Illegal Immigration", melting pot, 13 colonies.. what's the difference? ..the difference is *when* you got here.Everybody here in America right now pays into the system, whether we like to admit it or not. Immigrants, undocumented or not, have families just like other "Americans"; they need to eat, house, clothe, and transport themselves and their children to work and school just like we all do. They buy food at the local grocery store, they pay rent, they put gas in their vehicles, they buy clothes, books, and school supplies for their children. Contrary to popular misconception.. they don't just come over here, sit on their butts, and get welfare checks mailed to their house every month. They are more hard-working than Many other peoples I know in this country.In fact, most of the gross abusers of the system that I know of are American citizens who are IN the system, have SSNs, have worked for some company for a little while, got "injured on the job", and who are now collecting Disability every day for the rest of their lives! *That* is being a leech on society! Coming over from another country and working hard to support your family and pursue your dreams in the face of adversity is the essence of what created America in the first place!And here we sit eschewing all the "evil illegal immigrants" with great anger and prejudice, thinking of how to "keep them out", and how their presence here somehow "hurts us". I wonder if that's how the native American Indians felt when all the cowboys, settlers, and gold miners moved westward en mass, displacing them, and illegally immigrating into Their system??Of course all the western settlers didn't see it that way.. to them it was simply a "melting pot" that got stirred a little. Sources: United States of America macmac 79 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.

[abowen]

..the difference is *when* you got here.Everybody here in America right now pays into the system, whether we like to admit it or not. Immigrants, undocumented or not, have families just like other "Americans"; they need to eat, house, clothe, and transport themselves and their children to work and school just like we all do. They buy food at the local grocery store, they pay rent, they put gas in their vehicles, they buy clothes, books, and school supplies for their children. Contrary to popular misconception.. they don't just come over here, sit on their butts, and get welfare checks mailed to their house every month. They are more hard-working than Many other peoples I know in this country.In fact, most of the gross abusers of the system that I know of are American citizens who are IN the system, have SSNs, have worked for some company for a little while, got "injured on the job", and who are now collecting Disability every day for the rest of their lives! *That* is being a leech on society! Coming over from another country and working hard to support your family and pursue your dreams in the face of adversity is the essence of what created America in the first place!And here we sit eschewing all the "evil illegal immigrants" with great anger and prejudice, thinking of how to "keep them out", and how their presence here somehow "hurts us". I wonder if that's how the native American Indians felt when all the cowboys, settlers, and gold miners moved westward en mass, displacing them, and illegally immigrating into Their system??Of course all the western settlers didn't see it that way.. to them it was simply a "melting pot" that got stirred a little.

[Hesutu]

Psi_Phi_Org said: 1 I believe most hospitals have a policy that they will provide emergency care regardless of whether you have insurance or can pay. But this is only for emergency care in most cases.davidh 79 months ago

[Tzadok]

maria said: 2 Manimal, regarding your answer "Are you sure? I think if they pay taxes, then there is a way to file a tax return": I believe the employer can file his tax returns using the number given him by the employee, but because the number may be illigal the employee can't file a return without getting caught. My point was that any overages are a profit to the government. Maybe these could be used to cover some of the expenses of health services to illigals. It is definitely a problem in many ways but this is not a black and white situation. Thanks for your thoughts. 79 months ago

[Garwin]

It really depends from worker to worker and job to job... Basically, in order for them to pay these taxes they have to have a fake social security number.  A lot of illegals go this route because some companies won't pay them in cash.  So anything that is withheld from your check or mine would be withheld from theirs.  They certainly can just like we do fill out the W4 to minimize the amount of Federal and State wittholding, but if they pay taxes in, there is no way for them to file a tax return, because they'll get caught.  So yeah, it's not jus meat packing, it's everything.    As for benefits, no way they're getting any sort of governmental benefits with a fake SSN.  I know disabled people who have had to fight tooth and nail to get the benefits they needed to survive even when the case was cut and dried.    As for emergency health care, I think certain health care establishments insist on insurance or payment up front, though often if you have no insurance they'll be more than happy to bill you directly.  Which of course means that some people who can't pay will get medical care and then they will be sent to collections...but hey, if you've got a fake social security number, it's probably not going to affect you.  Many medical institutions won't turn anyone away, county hospitals for example will see anyone whether they get paid or not.  If you or I go to the ER, we'd have to fill out tons of paperwork, provide all sorts of info and insurance info and what not, anyone would have to go through this, but if you have no insurance you have to sign that you're responsible for the charges.  I don't know of people being turned away per se, but people can certainly be bankrupted by medical charges if they have no insurance.  dalepetrie_is_gone 79 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.

[Felicio]

Are you sure? I think if they pay taxes, then there is a way to file a tax return In order to follow the IRS rules, an employer must report payroll by SSN or other Tax Payer Identification Number.  If this is blank, the employer can be fined.  If the employee has this number, they can file a tax return for a refund.   Most illegal aliens do not have this number.  And most migrant workers(legal and illegal) are paid in cash, with no withholding of taxes.    You are right about citizenship status being checked for welfare benefits, but that is a state by state requirement.  Many states close to the Mexico border have more liberal rules or enforcement.   Medical care is rarely withheld.  It is never withheld based on immigration status.  The lack of health insurance prevents them from making an appointment with a doctor and paying the cost, and so they visit the emergency room instead.  They will normally be treated regardless of ability to pay and released.  Again, the border states even have programs to help pregnant illegal aliens give birth safely at little or no cost.  Then there is a new citizen, which qualifies the parents to remain in the US and receive state benefits.   I hope this helps.   Sources: http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html#who Manimal 79 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.

[Blaine]

Basically, in order for them to pay these taxes they have to have a fake social security number.  A lot of illegals go this route because some companies won't pay them in cash.  So anything that is withheld from your check or mine would be withheld from theirs.  They certainly can just like we do fill out the W4 to minimize the amount of Federal and State wittholding, but if they pay taxes in, there is no way for them to file a tax return, because they'll get caught.  So yeah, it's not jus meat packing, it's everything.    As for benefits, no way they're getting any sort of governmental benefits with a fake SSN.  I know disabled people who have had to fight tooth and nail to get the benefits they needed to survive even when the case was cut and dried.    As for emergency health care, I think certain health care establishments insist on insurance or payment up front, though often if you have no insurance they'll be more than happy to bill you directly.  Which of course means that some people who can't pay will get medical care and then they will be sent to collections...but hey, if you've got a fake social security number, it's probably not going to affect you.  Many medical institutions won't turn anyone away, county hospitals for example will see anyone whether they get paid or not.  If you or I go to the ER, we'd have to fill out tons of paperwork, provide all sorts of info and insurance info and what not, anyone would have to go through this, but if you have no insurance you have to sign that you're responsible for the charges.  I don't know of people being turned away per se, but people can certainly be bankrupted by medical charges if they have no insurance. 

[Logen]

Manimal, regarding your answer "Are you sure? I think if they pay taxes, then there is a way to file a tax return": I believe the employer can file his tax returns using the number given him by the employee, but because the number may be illigal the employee can't file a return without getting caught. My point was that any overages are a profit to the government. Maybe these could be used to cover some of the expenses of health services to illigals. It is definitely a problem in many ways but this is not a black and white situation. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Donnchadh]

In order to follow the IRS rules, an employer must report payroll by SSN or other Tax Payer Identification Number.  If this is blank, the employer can be fined.  If the employee has this number, they can file a tax return for a refund.   Most illegal aliens do not have this number.  And most migrant workers(legal and illegal) are paid in cash, with no withholding of taxes.    You are right about citizenship status being checked for welfare benefits, but that is a state by state requirement.  Many states close to the Mexico border have more liberal rules or enforcement.   Medical care is rarely withheld.  It is never withheld based on immigration status.  The lack of health insurance prevents them from making an appointment with a doctor and paying the cost, and so they visit the emergency room instead.  They will normally be treated regardless of ability to pay and released.  Again, the border states even have programs to help pregnant illegal aliens give birth safely at little or no cost.  Then there is a new citizen, which qualifies the parents to remain in the US and receive state benefits.   I hope this helps.