The California Supreme Just Upheld The Prop 8 Decision. Is It Possible That The People In California Are Finally Waking

[Alberic]

up? first voting against the California budget and now this decision by the courts.

[Gilmore]

[Eghan]

This prop, and the the tax vote hardly represent the mind of most Californians, as the number who even bother to vote continues to fall, as it has done everywhere. The budget vote turn-out was just about 21%, and that of only the ones that even bother to register. It is interesting that the court decided that those marriages that did take place before the passage of Prop 8 are legal and valid. I think this is not over. Expect it to go to the Feds next.

[Caroll]

ElBanditoRoso said: 2 Lou, both of these are exceptional cases. The people of California are still as dumb as they were before. 55 months ago

[Dartagnan]

Mountains said: 4 Waking to what exactly? 55 months ago

[hadar28]

Waking to what exactly?

[Waleis]

TurboB said: 1 Just when you thought the dust had settled on the gay marriage arguments here at askville, something fans the flames! 55 months ago

[Gwrddywal]

Well, I would hope so, but the budget fiasco is our own fault, not our legislator's. Back in, I think 1977, we had Proposition 13 pass to unhinge the budget by detaching the onerous property tax laws. We had generous schools(music classes, etc.) before; we had slice 'n' dice schools after.(Teachers didn't stop taking pay raises, so the money wasn't there for much else.) The problem was that we citizenry got used to the gravy, and when we voted to take the money away, the gravy went with it. Then it came back in the form of bond issues voted onto the state constitution in the form of ballot proposals, and each bond issue was a vote for debt--not spending money, not taxing money--borrowing money. Do that for 30 years and a $50,000,000,000 debt isn't unexpected. Most of them were rinky-dink proposals, too, but we voted for them anyway. I think what we Californians finally realized is that all those bond issues really do cost double: one for the issue, one for the interest on the loan.  If Governor Schwarzeneggar has done one thing, it has been to publicize that fact. I feel sorry for him, actually. He tried to fix our problem, and had a good plan for it, but we went and voted for more bond issues. Basically, he either gets money from elsewhere(federal government) or he changes our constitution to take away that ballot proposition/bond issue ability from us. Guess which is more likely.  danielpauldavis 55 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.

[Traveon]

Back in, I think 1977, we had Proposition 13 pass to unhinge the budget by detaching the onerous property tax laws. We had generous schools(music classes, etc.) before; we had slice 'n' dice schools after.(Teachers didn't stop taking pay raises, so the money wasn't there for much else.) The problem was that we citizenry got used to the gravy, and when we voted to take the money away, the gravy went with it. Then it came back in the form of bond issues voted onto the state constitution in the form of ballot proposals, and each bond issue was a vote for debt--not spending money, not taxing money--borrowing money. Do that for 30 years and a $50,000,000,000 debt isn't unexpected. Most of them were rinky-dink proposals, too, but we voted for them anyway. I think what we Californians finally realized is that all those bond issues really do cost double: one for the issue, one for the interest on the loan.  If Governor Schwarzeneggar has done one thing, it has been to publicize that fact. I feel sorry for him, actually. He tried to fix our problem, and had a good plan for it, but we went and voted for more bond issues. Basically, he either gets money from elsewhere(federal government) or he changes our constitution to take away that ballot proposition/bond issue ability from us. Guess which is more likely. 

[Dani]

Just when you thought the dust had settled on the gay marriage arguments here at askville, something fans the flames!