What do you think of this Plan limits babies' rights to citizenship measures aimed at illegals?

by **denzell** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:16 pm

PHOENIX — The architect of Arizona's new employer sanctions law, which takes effect Tuesday, is crafting a series of new measures aimed at people who entered the U.S. illegally.

Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, says he is introducing measures this legislative session to:

? Deny regular birth certificates to babies born in Arizona unless at least one parent proves citizenship.

? Expand the state crime of trespass to cover anyone in the U.S. without authorization.

? Require proof of legal presence in the U.S. to register a vehicle or get a title.

? Deny workers' compensation benefits to undocumented workers injured on the job.

? Bar local policies that prohibit police officers from checking the immigration status of those they encounter. http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/218441
This is important, as the ACLU and MALDEF will sue, and we will finally get another crack at the SCOTUS fixing what it messed up a hundred years ago on the anchor baby issue and the 14th Amendment. We will never have a better Court to try than we do now.

by **aviya** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:17 pm

PHOENIX — The architect of Arizona's new employer sanctions law, which takes effect Tuesday, is crafting a series of new measures aimed at people who entered the U.S. illegally.

Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, says he is introducing measures this legislative session to:

? Deny regular birth certificates to babies born in Arizona unless at least one parent proves citizenship.

? Expand the state crime of trespass to cover anyone in the U.S. without authorization.

? Require proof of legal presence in the U.S. to register a vehicle or get a title.

? Deny workers' compensation benefits to undocumented workers injured on the job.

? Bar local policies that prohibit police officers from checking the immigration status of those they encounter. http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/218441
This is important, as the ACLU and MALDEF will sue, and we will finally get another crack at the SCOTUS fixing what it messed up a hundred years ago on the anchor baby issue and the 14th Amendment. We will never have a better Court to try than we do now.

The Constitution is being so completely distorted. What isn't and never was, included in the Constitution, was citizenship for the children of illegal aliens. I'm glad to hear Arizona is doing this, even if it's shot down, Arizona has been a huge catalyst in the beginnings of cracking down on illegals in many states. I suppose if anyone wants to call it unconstitutional, we can remind them that giving illegals citizenship and our tax dollars as benefits is far more unconstitutional than anything Arizona is doing now.

by **bergh39** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:22 pm

I do not agree that babies born of illegals should be US citizens, because it makes no sense. In every other nation, if the parents are not citizens, neither are their offspring, regardless of where the mother gave birth.

I do not agree that workers' compensation benefits should be denied to illegals. The employers should not hire them to get work done by paying substandard wages, then not pay if they are hurt. That's a win-win situation for employers. The employer should have to pay the workers' comp out of their own pocket.

I do not agree that police cannot check immigration status. People here illegally ARE trespassing. The government of Mexico just started a biometrics card to keep Guatamalans and other illegals out of their country. The illegals just come to work in Mexico, too; but, Mexico will not allow tresspassers in their country. Mexico's double standard is taking gross advantage of America's lax enforcement and it needs to stop.

I do agree the state crime of trespass should cover those individuals in our country illegally.

I do agree that only citizens should register vehicles in the US due to insurance and other liability issues when they have a wreck. Since illegals often use false identification, and often move away when there is a legal problem, there is no recourse when a citizen is involved in situation which involves damages.

If the ACLU and MALDEF sue, the judges should start really following our laws, and rule that an illegal has no standing to sue because their problems are caused by their own illegal action of living in our country against our laws. One Federal judge has already made this ruling.

by **eorl** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:31 pm

sounds wonderful should be done on a federal level

by **curadhan74** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:38 pm

I agree that they shouldn't be citizens, just by being born here, but, I don't think that they can do anything about the birth certificate. That isn't a state-by-state thing. That is covered in the Constitution as the law of the Country... They can't do that.

I think that the workers' comp one is unethical. If someone loses a leg on the job, they should be covered by the employer. This will only encourage employers to provide unsafe work environments.

As far as the rest- perhaps they can get it passed.

by **kyledyr** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:39 pm

I agree 100% . At what point do we say "enough"? People trying to obtain "legal" visas are constantly running into barriers while absolutely nothing is being done to the milions of illegals in the United States. What message does that send to the rest of the immigrants attempting to enter our country? I was shocked when i first heard the number of "illegals" in the U.S. was around 17 million. Now the reported estimate is upward of 25 million. All capable of free medical care, social security (which they have not paid into) , assisted housing and food aid. My girlfriend has tried going the legal route only to be met will one problem after another.It is extremely difficult not to have hard feelings towards the problem with our borders.
One last thing, look at the crime rate in los angeles county. The number of warrants for violent crimes etc. The number of illegal immigrants that commit the crimes and then flee back to mexico. If it doesnt make you mad, something is terribly wrong. Dano Wilson

by **advent** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:41 pm

The first and last parts will not fly. They will be determined unconstitutional.

The rest of it is fine.

The first one will lose because, you will be denying the baby its right to a document of legal birth. Like it or not, Uncle Sam says a baby born in the USA is a citizen - its not up to the states.

Last one will fail also. Because, its not local police's jurisdiction to check for residency. Local police are agents of the state. And, they have no right to hold people based on their residency situation if they have not broken a state criminal code. Stay with me before you give the thumbs down. I am not saying this is right or wrong. I am telling you the fact. Being in the USA illegaly is not a criminal matter. It is a civil matter. The federal government has never passed a law making it a crime for people to be in the USA. It has always beena civil matter. Local police have no right to check the residency/citizenship status of people who have not committed a crime. After arresting someone police can than inquire.

But, if you are walking down the street and the police interview you or stop you while investigating a crime, there is no reasonable suspicion or probable cause to hold you based on your residency/citizenship status. Further, if police got that power from the legislature (CONGRESS), it would be thrown out by the courts. Because now, every person would need to carry proof of citizenship/residency at all times.

Otherwise the plans are smart.

by **jen** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:43 pm

I want them to start that process in my state as well. Perhaps that fellow can come talk to my state reps and governor.

by **darvell** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:58 pm

it should have been done 20 years ago and federally we need the same laws inacted...they come over here and start popping out kids to keep them here....

by **tripp** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:07 pm

Glad to see more states like Arizona and Oklahoma are doing what the Federal Government should be doing.

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