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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

  
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby jen » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:07 am

from what i understand, our entire government is based on particual bible verses including the ten commandments and common law.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby delron » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:10 am

You have to look at the whole counsel of God and not just the Old Testament only !!!
In the New Testament you have Forgiveness, Love, Mercy, and the Spirit of the Law !!!

1.Jesus claimed to be God - John 8:24; 8:56-59 (see Exodus 3:14); John 10:30-33
2.Jesus is called God - John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8
3.Jesus is the image of the invisible God - Heb. 1:3
4.Jesus abides forever - Heb. 7:24
5.Jesus created all things - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17
6.Jesus is before all things - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:17;
7.Jesus is eternal - John 1:1,14; 8:58; Micah 5:1-2
8.Jesus is honored the same as the Father - John 5:23
9.Jesus is prayed to - Acts 7:55-60; 1 Cor. 1:2 with Psalm 116:4; (John 14:14)
10.Jesus is worshipped - Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6
11.Jesus is omnipresent - Matt. 18:20; 28:20
12.Jesus is with us always - Matt. 28:20
13.Jesus is our only mediator between God and ourselves - 1 Tim. 2:5
14.Jesus is the guarantee of a better covenant - Heb. 7:22; 8:6
15.Jesus said, "I AM the Bread of Life" - John 6:35,41,48,51
16.Jesus said, "I AM the Door" - John 10:7,9
17.Jesus said, "I AM the Good Shepherd" - John 10:11,14
18.Jesus said, "I AM the Way the Truth and The Life" - John 14:6
19.Jesus said, "I AM the Light of the world" - John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46; Luke 2:32
20.Jesus said, "I AM the True Vine" - John 15:1,5
21.Jesus said, "I AM the Resurrection and the Life" - John 11:25
22.Jesus said, "I AM the First and the Last" - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13
23.Jesus always lives to make intercession for us - Heb. 7:25
24.Jesus cleanses from sin - 1 John 1:9
25.Jesus cleanses us from our sins by His blood - Rev. 1:5; Rom. 5:9
26.Jesus forgives sins - Matt. 9:1-7; Luke 5:20; 7:48
27.Jesus saves forever - Matt. 18:11; John 10:28; Heb. 7:25
28.Jesus discloses Himself to us - John 14:21
29.Jesus draws all men to Himself - John 12:32
30.Jesus gives eternal life - John 10:28; 5:40
31.Jesus resurrects - John 5:39; 6:40,44,54; 11:25-26
32.Jesus gives joy - John 15:11

God is holy and wants us to be holy !!! His enemy Satan the diabolical one wants us in His camp so he deceives us into sin !!! This war between them has necessitated a solution and God deemed it necessary to make us perfect !!! He acheived that by sacrificing Jesus Christ who was obedient unto death to buy us back from the clutches of sin !!! So now when the Father in heaven sees us He sees the image of Jesus on us [we are sealed like a letter waiting for delivery]so He sees perfection !!! You see He paid a price and put His stamp on us and He has made it easy for us to enter into fellowship with Him and what we need to do is repent !!! Sounds easy so bend your knee and do it for God's sake and yours !!! Pray the prayer at the end !!!
Study to show thyself worthy of what our Lord and Saviour has done for you !!!

There is a massive amount of proof for the Bible being true, one of the biggest things is
Fulfilled prophecy- 1/3 of the whole Bible is prophecy, 2/3 of that has happened
No other book on earth can say that. People from all different backgrounds separated by hundreds and thousands of years, different languages, and countries, not knowing what the other people wrote, writing what would happen and it does.
Jesus fulfilled over 300 of the Old Testament prophecies, the odds of just five being fulfilled in one person are one in hundred million billion, also there is a lot of other kinds of evidence-

Prophesy - http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicpr…

Miracles- they happen all the time - http://leslieey.com/philippines.html

Answered prayers -http://www.2christ.org/prayer/

Changed lives - http://www.washedred.com/changed_lives/

Creation - http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectpr…



Dear God in heaven, I come to you in the name of Jesus. I acknowledge to You that I am a sinner, and I am sorry for my sins and the life that I have lived; I need your forgiveness.

I believe that your only begotten Son Jesus Christ shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary and died for my sins, and I am now willing to turn from my sin.

You said in Your Holy Word, Romans 10:9 that if we confess the Lord our God and believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, we shall be saved.

Right now I confess Jesus as the Lord of my soul. With my heart, I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. This very moment I accept Him as Lord and Saviour !!! Now according to the bible I AM A SAVED BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, AMEN !!! Now tell someone else what you have just done !!!
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby kendon19 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:12 am

A lot of businesses are closed on Sunday. In court, people used to take an oath on the bible. So help me GOD....Nothing but the truth..............
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby darrell » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:16 am

It doesn't and the US wasn't founded as a Christian nation anyway.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby ear » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:21 am

It doesn't and the US wasn't founded as a Christian nation anyway.
Because the nation answers the physical necessity whilst the church answers to our "spiritual" necessity. Should the government become highly influenced by the church, then we'll just go back to the dark ages, because you know Christianity; intolerant most of the time, and they discriminate anyone who does not believe the same God.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby iomar » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:25 am

Actually the U.S.A. is not an "official" Christian nation. Though the majority of our founding fathers were "Christian" in the nominal sense. Some like Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin & Thomas Paine were really Deists, and based our earliest documents on the rights of "man." They were heavily influenced by the writings of English Enlightenment Philosophers like Francis Bacon, Thomas Hobbs, & John Locke.

Being English subjects prior to independence, day to day laws they created followed what is known as Roman-English civil law. Because this is what they were educated in and familiar with.

But the laws of the Old testament were laws put in place for a people who had a covenant with the God, YHWH, and it was through these laws that the rest of the world was to see and know that the ancient Israelites were the "chosen" people (or nation) of the one true God among many of that time in history.

Since as Americans we have no such covenant as a people, we have chosen to be ruled by the laws and rights in our original documents that the founding fathers created. Even though our Constitutional rights as Democratic-Republic have been stripped from us little by little by our modern law makers and courts over this last century and the rule of the bureaucrat is taking over.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby lazaro94 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:28 am

The laws you mention are JEWS laws which were made by MAN. The 10 commandments are actually a guideline given to Moses to keep the people in line. Besides, the US was based on freedoms, including the freedom to "worship" (another human term) as we wish without the interference of GOVERNMENT of telling us which religious beliefs we are to follow. A TRUE CHRISTIAN follows the teachings of CHRIST. His was to be a new covenant which included loving thy neighbor has yourself, Helping others etc. If you really look at the bible you will see the OT is made up of the laws TRADITIONS and stories of the Jewish people. The NT is all about the PUBLIC life of Jesus Christ and his teachings. The secular laws are to protect everyone no matter what their beliefs. AND according to the OT men and women were made equal. That neither should rule the other but work together.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby jolie95 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:39 am

Part of the problem is you are including your desires that are Not in the Bible! Like in the New Testament, woman were equals and given leading Churches jobs! Do you just assume if you read a name ____ it had to be male?
No where in the Bible dose it claim the Sabbath was, will be, has ever been on a Sunday! The Seventh day of the week/Sabbath is Saturdays (today)! Plus there are lots of extra Sabbaths days; do you know when they are? The reason you and others are worshiping on the wrong days is because about 350 A.D. the first Roman ruler that had become Christian did not like it that people that believed that the sun was a god, where having Fun killing Christians as they were better dressed on Saturdays going to church. So he ordered the Sabbath changed to Sundays, so the killers could Not tell the Christians apart from themselves. And that/his order is still being obeyed by most Christians today.
Jesus tells us in Matthew 5:17-20 that he is Not here to start a new religion but to fix the Jewish one and requires us to Obey ALL of the Commandments! ALL 613 of them! God gave Moses 613 Commandments; #s 11,& 12 are in the same chapter as the first ten, with thirteen on starting at the beginning of the next chapter! Look! These following Commandments include what is required of us on the Sabbaths! Like it is a sin to "Speak any idol words on the Sabbath"; it is a sin to do anything that is not for/with/about God!....
Even confirmed in the New Testament it is a sin to read Fiction! Do you read fiction books?
Men are required to Have their hair trimmed, not to grow it past their necks! But required to have untrimmed breads!
Our laws use to be all based on the Bible. But atheists started making a scene and laws started being changed to include others desires over God, safety and well being.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby dureau » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:41 am

@WitnessofJesus Only two of the 10 commandments are laws. Don't murder and don't steal. And those are laws in virtually every society that ever existed, included those that never even heard of christianity or judaism.

We have no laws to worship god, or to keep the sabbath holy. We are free to worship all the idols we want.

Adultery is not illegal.

Thought crimes are not illegal. We can covet to our hearts' content.

Rape is illegal, although it is condoned in the bible.

Genocide is illegal, although condoned in the bible.

Pedophilia is illegal, although condoned in the bible.

Slavery is illegal, although condoned in the bible.

Polygamy is illegal, although condoned in the bible.

The list goes on.
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If the United States is a Christian Nation, should we base our laws on Biblical Law?

Postby edmondo93 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:45 am

Yes, but not on the OT law. Nations if they are Christian should live by the NT Bible.

Some people may refer to Matthew 5:17,18 but in the Gospel according to Luke where this is recorded, the verse right before that is this: "The law and the prophets were until John." (Luke 16:16). So in the detailed Gospel (Luke), He already explained that the law is done away with.

The OT law was temporary: What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made... - Galatians 3:19.

having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace - Ephesians 2:15.

having wiped out the handwriting of the requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross - Colossians 2:14.

Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another -- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God - Romans 7:4.

...and from sincere faith, from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm - 1 Tim. 1:5-7.

Galatians 5:4,7 - You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law (the O.T. law); you have fallen from grace... You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? ~ Note: The KJV has Christ is become of no effect unto you. The Greek words are apo and katargeo. Apo also means of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed. Katargeo also means destroy, loose, to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency, to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish. The word for fallen from also means to fall from a thing, to lose it, to perish, and to fall powerless, be without effect regarding of the divine promise of salvation. Obviously those who have fallen from grace were running well (the race of faith, 2 Tim. 4:7) and obeying the truth at some earlier time, but then they fell from grace.

May God bless you.
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