Did God create the big bang?

[rumford]

It is clear that something cannot possibly come from nothing because nothing is insubstantial. And so essentially there is nothing for the big bang to grab hold of in nothing, in order to pull out the primitive universe from that magic hat of nothing.

In fact what you are left with is an irreducible quantum field which is effectively a conserved property, just like the pre-quantum conservation laws. Creationist love conservation laws so that does not hurt our position at all.

And just like those conservation laws it is impossible to break them and so creation does not exist (according to atheists). And likewise because of the conservation of the quantum field; nothing is impossible and does not exist (and we believers agree since God always existed).

Atheists play the same old game; it used to be that matter always existed because of the conservation laws but now it’s that the quantum field always existed. Yup the same old, same old; nothing’s changed but the names to protect the guilty.

But the quantum field like matter itself can be created by God. And since God knows everything, and can do everything therefore all the quantum randomness would unfold just as God had intended.

And so God created the universe by creating the quantum field therefore atheists have merely moved the question from: who created matter, to who created the quantum field?

And so just like the bible says: God spoke and bang it happened.

Checkmate, game over, and you lose atheists: you lost the argument as well as your very souls.

So am I right or what?

[abelard29]

Nope.

[janyd]

"matter can NOT be created or destroyed"

your argument is not assuming the correct reality

[slaine]

1. Your first sentence sounds like an attempt at philosophy. It's certainly not representative of physics. Look up pair-production and quantum vacuum fluctuations. Yes, something CAN come from 'nothing'. But that's not necessarily what happened with the big bang. We didn't say nothing was there. We said our universe wasn't there. Big difference.

2. There is no conservation of matter law. Only energy is conserved, and matter and energy are interchangeable. And yes, energy conservation is broken all the time. You just have to put it back if you steal some from nothing. See point #1.

3. There is no evidence for gods, much less whatever god you're talking about.

4. No, you're not right. Also, souls aren't real either.

[baigh75]

It certainly isn't clear to you. You've just produced a god out of nothing without batting an eye.

You're "or what".

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[valentino]

Bible god was invented by man, as were all other religions.

There are unknown things in universe, but you cannot explain them.

[albanwr26]

Who created God ?

[kendon19]

Big bang is a mathematical construct, a singularity in a bunch of equations.

Greeks, Indians and Arabs invented maths. They all had different gods.
That means mathematics and so do Big bang exist regardless of gods.

Checkmate!

[talbot]

Glad you cleared that up. I'm sure thousands of people will read this short essay and completely change their viewpoint about life and religion. Pat yourself on the back, you deserve it.

The Big Bang theory does not assert that something came from nothing. It describes a small period of time in the history of the universe - it doesn't attempt to predict what came before, where the energy of the bang came from, etc.

Your answer is a mix of philosophy and half-learned science. There is no checkmate here, you've applied an argument from ignorance - we don't know, therefore, God.

It is people like you, who enter a discussion armed with neither reason, education, nor an open mind, who do the most damage to your viewpoint. Zealots and extremists don't really hurt the image of religion - people recognize crazy when they see it and disregard it. But ignorance masquerading as authority makes the rest of us who believe in both religion and science look bad when we are lumped in with you. All it takes is one of you arguing with one well educated atheist to make all of us who have religious beliefs look uneducated, hard headed, and primitive.

[forde]

John -

You are making the classic mistake of applying a faith based approach to a technical argument. I am not about to enter into a discussion about what you believe. That is of course up to you. But when you impose your belief system into the world of mathematics and physics, it quickly degenerates into pure speculation. The truth is that we do not know what caused the Big Bang. You can say your God did it. Someone else can say his Gods did it. Someone else can say it was the result of a brane collision, or a purple dinosaur, or a really big chicken. Each proposal is speculation, with no evidence - yet - to support it. The problem enters when any one proponent claims a special position on the Truth, based on his faith or his opinion or his anything. Your case is not particularly enhanced by your claim that "something cannot possibly come from nothing because nothing is insubstantial." That is not a technical reason. It is your opinion, and it is in conflict with the fact that something coming from nothing is required in order for your computer to work. Your opinion is therefore technically flawed, and it is based on the fact that you perhaps do not fully understand the technology involved. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you do not claim that you do understand it.